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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:09
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A lot of people are making wrong assumptions in this episode.
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:10
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The real king yelling is a very effective emotional thing.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| M1795537OCVirn |
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Is Travis already working with the Andromedans at this point? Yes. He tries talking Servalan into coming on side with his "ambition", appealing to hers, but, apart from getting her ship, he shoots through when he gets no more. I think it's probably an either/or thing. That makes sense, but if he is allied with the Andromedans, surely that means that he knows where Star One is? Or did they get in touch with him somehow? Do you think Servalan suspects he has allies? I think this might be the one thing she doesn't foresee. Have to agree. It would seem it hasn't occurred to her that Travis might have got fed up with being a fall guy for her and has decided to put an end to everything. Maybe her disrespecting his offer was the final straw. "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:10
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Is Travis already working with the Andromedans at this point? Yes. He tries talking Servalan into coming on side with his "ambition", appealing to hers, but, apart from getting her ship, he shoots through when he gets no more. I think it's probably an either/or thing. That makes sense, but if he is allied with the Andromedans, surely that means that he knows where Star One is? Or did they get in touch with him somehow? Do you think Servalan suspects he has allies? I think this might be the one thing she doesn't foresee. Have to agree. It would seem it hasn't occurred to her that Travis might have got fed up with being a fall guy for her and has decided to put an end to everything. I'm sure she sees that he's fed up, but she wouldn't think he would go that far. But perhaps her presence here suggests that she suspects him of something. |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:11
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A lot of people are making wrong assumptions in this episode. You mean the menfolk? Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:11
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Is Travis already working with the Andromedans at this point? Yes. He tries talking Servalan into coming on side with his "ambition", appealing to hers, but, apart from getting her ship, he shoots through when he gets no more. I think it's probably an either/or thing. That makes sense, but if he is allied with the Andromedans, surely that means that he knows where Star One is? Or did they get in touch with him somehow? Do you think Servalan suspects he has allies? I think this might be the one thing she doesn't foresee. Have to agree. It would seem it hasn't occurred to her that Travis might have got fed up with being a fall guy for her and has decided to put an end to everything. Maybe her disrespecting his offer was the final straw. Maybe. |
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:12
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Quote I'm sure she sees that he's fed up, but she wouldn't think he would go that far. But perhaps her presence here suggests that she suspects him of something. She'd be there to use him, especially if she suspected anything. "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:13
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Yes. He tries talking Servalan into coming on side with his "ambition", appealing to hers, but, apart from getting her ship, he shoots through when he gets no more. I think it's probably an either/or thing. That makes sense, but if he is allied with the Andromedans, surely that means that he knows where Star One is? Or did they get in touch with him somehow? Do you think Servalan suspects he has allies?[/quote] I think this might be the one thing she doesn't foresee.[/quote] Have to agree. It would seem it hasn't occurred to her that Travis might have got fed up with being a fall guy for her and has decided to put an end to everything.[/quote] I'm sure she sees that he's fed up, but she wouldn't think he would go that far. But perhaps her presence here suggests that she suspects him of something.[/quote] Exactamente. She suspects because she knows that he has the info about Goth also, but she hasn't realised the lengths he might go to. The biting the hand that feeds. Dogs do it in the end if mistreated. Who knows what I just cropped? Edited by Obsidian on 17-06-2023 10:15 Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:15
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Yes. He tries talking Servalan into coming on side with his "ambition", appealing to hers, but, apart from getting her ship, he shoots through when he gets no more. I think it's probably an either/or thing. That makes sense, but if he is allied with the Andromedans, surely that means that he knows where Star One is? Or did they get in touch with him somehow? Do you think Servalan suspects he has allies? I think this might be the one thing she doesn't foresee.[/quote] Have to agree. It would seem it hasn't occurred to her that Travis might have got fed up with being a fall guy for her and has decided to put an end to everything.[/quote] I'm sure she sees that he's fed up, but she wouldn't think he would go that far. But perhaps her presence here suggests that she suspects him of something.[/quote] Exactamente. She suspects because she knows that he has the info about Goth also, but she hasn't realised the lengths he might go to. The biting the hand that feeds. Dogs do it in the end if mistreated.[/quote] Travis the Rottweiler . . . |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:15
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Yes. He tries talking Servalan into coming on side with his "ambition", appealing to hers, but, apart from getting her ship, he shoots through when he gets no more. I think it's probably an either/or thing. That makes sense, but if he is allied with the Andromedans, surely that means that he knows where Star One is? Or did they get in touch with him somehow? Do you think Servalan suspects he has allies? I think this might be the one thing she doesn't foresee. Have to agree. It would seem it hasn't occurred to her that Travis might have got fed up with being a fall guy for her and has decided to put an end to everything.[/quote] I'm sure she sees that he's fed up, but she wouldn't think he would go that far. But perhaps her presence here suggests that she suspects him of something.[/quote] Exactamente. She suspects because she knows that he has the info about Goth also, but she hasn't realised the lengths he might go to. The biting the hand that feeds. Dogs do it in the end if mistreated.[/quote] Travis the Rottweiler . . .[/quote]  A very apt analogy. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:16
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That didn't work. How do you quote only the last bit of a thread. |
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:17
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If only Blake and Vila had been nicer to the old Sharl . . . |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:17
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That didn't work. How do you quote only the last bit of a thread. What I was trying to do and unsuccessfully chopping the wrong "quote" bit.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:19
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If only Blake and Vila had been nicer to the old Sharl . . . Agreed. Though Blake has only seen a bit of what's taking place upstairs. His vaunted caring drops away in the face of HIS ambition. Interesting tents that have dungeons... Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:20
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There's a lot nobody told us going on underground in Gloucestershire... Didn't the Federation know about the Andromedans and erect the minefield to protect themselves from them? "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:20
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Tara ALWAYS reminds me of Vivienne Westwood.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:21
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If only Blake and Vila had been nicer to the old Sharl . . . Agreed. Though Blake has only seen a bit of what's taking place upstairs. His vaunted caring drops away in the face of HIS ambition. Interesting tents that have dungeons... We take the tent from the nomadic phase, then the rather anachronistic dungeon from the settled phase . . . It;s all good fun. Edited by AnneArthur on 17-06-2023 10:23 |
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:22
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There's a lot nobody told us going on underground in Gloucestershire... Didn't the Federation know about the Andromedans and erect the minefield to protect themselves from them? Yes, so Servalan must have known of a threat. |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:22
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There's a lot nobody told us going on underground in Gloucestershire... Didn't the Federation know about the Andromedans and erect the minefield to protect themselves from them? Clearly one of those decisions lost in the mists of time. No Hansard in Federation times. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:22
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If only Blake and Vila had been nicer to the old Sharl . . . Agreed. Though Blake has only seen a bit of what's taking place upstairs. His vaunted caring drops away in the face of HIS ambition. Interesting tents that have dungeons... Ha ha ha! But they just talk about 'down below' and they're already in caves, so it's just another, lower cave, isn't it? "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:24
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There's a lot nobody told us going on underground in Gloucestershire... Didn't the Federation know about the Andromedans and erect the minefield to protect themselves from them? Yes, so Servalan must have known of a threat. But as she has no idea where Star One is she does not know it's anywhere near the Andromedan Galaxy and therefore, doesn't realise the threat. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:24
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It's all getting a bit Hamlet meets King Lear . . . |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:24
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It's all getting a bit Hamlet meets King Lear . . . Very. Totally Jacobean drama. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:25
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Lovely singing.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:26
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And Travis has slipped away quietly in Servalan's ship . . . |
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:28
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There's a lot nobody told us going on underground in Gloucestershire... Didn't the Federation know about the Andromedans and erect the minefield to protect themselves from them? Yes, so Servalan must have known of a threat. But as she has no idea where Star One is she does not know it's anywhere near the Andromedan Galaxy and therefore, doesn't realise the threat. I think she knows there's a threat, but doesn't realise how immediate it is. Her mind is set on a) the power Star One represents and b ) not letting Travis (or Blake) get to it before she does. Edited by M1795537OCVirn on 17-06-2023 10:30 "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:30
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I might be a bit ahead of you ladies, but I thought that was an excellent episode: dense with info; lots of plotting; tempers fraying; hurts aplenty, and another planet thrown into turmoil by Blake, Travis and Servalan.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:32
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I might be a bit ahead of you ladies, but I thought that was an excellent episode: dense with info; lots of plotting; tempers fraying; hurts aplenty, and another planet thrown into turmoil by Blake, Travis and Servalan. Yes - I always really enjoy this one, which is why I was surprised to see someone assuming that it was widely hated. But I am really going to have to watch the last three episodes of this series back to back, to try to work out what Travis is up to when. I'm as confused as that wretched Jarriere at present! |
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:33
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Anyway, thanks for the rewatch. Have a good week, both of you! |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:33
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There's a lot nobody told us going on underground in Gloucestershire... Didn't the Federation know about the Andromedans and erect the minefield to protect themselves from them? Yes, so Servalan must have known of a threat. But as she has no idea where Star One is she does not know it's anywhere near the Andromedan Galaxy and therefore, doesn't realise the threat. I think she knows there's a threat, but doesn't realise how immediate it is. Her mind is set on a) the power Star One represents and b ) not letting Travis (or Blake) get to it before she does. But not the potential extent of it. She's being way too narrow-sighted. It's only in the next ep where she gets narky with Durkim that we begin to see the light dawning. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:34
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I might be a bit ahead of you ladies, but I thought that was an excellent episode: dense with info; lots of plotting; tempers fraying; hurts aplenty, and another planet thrown into turmoil by Blake, Travis and Servalan. Yes - I always really enjoy this one, which is why I was surprised to see someone assuming that it was widely hated. But I am really going to have to watch the last three episodes of this series back to back, to try to work out what Travis is up to when. I'm as confused as that wretched Jarriere at present! Have to say I was as confused as Jarriere at that particular plotting. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:35
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Anyway, thanks for the rewatch. Have a good week, both of you! You too Anne! See you next week. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:36
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Yep, great episode. Different enough to be interesting and moves the plot another step ( or giant leap) towards Star One. Thanks for your company yet again. Saturdays wouldn't be the same without you. I don't like Servalan's fur coat, though. Ugly seams and she has to hold it closed. Oh well. "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:40
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Yep, great episode. Different enough to be interesting and moves the plot another step ( or giant leap) towards Star One. Thanks for your company yet again. Saturdays wouldn't be the same without you. I don't like Servalan's fur coat, though. Ugly seams and she has to hold it closed. Oh well. Hmmm. Hadn't noticed the seams. I just assumed she was wearing nothing underneath and hence the need to keep the coat closed.  A big old Viking annular brooch would have been just the trick!Saturdays wouldn't be the same without you either. Always look forward to our rewatches. Catch up with you again soon MsVirn. Hope your garden is managing in the dry weather. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 17-06-2023 10:44
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Hmmm. Hadn't noticed the seams. I just assumed she was wearing nothing underneath and hence the need to keep the coat closed. A big old Viking annular brooch would have been just the trick!Exactly what I was thinking but didn't like to say! "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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