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Rewatch Downunder, Saturday 12th Ogtober, D2 Power
Obsidian

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

Everything is so grey – the ship, the costumes – you just know that things are becoming dire.


I have always thought of it as very 80s - grey with little colour highlights. I have a whole selection of grey luggage from the 80s.


As someone I knew said back then: the 80s were porridge-coloured. I see the grey as reflecting the situation for our heroes, not as reflecting the current fashion trends.
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AnneArthur
OK, I need to go and get a Covid jab. Thanks for the rewatch, and see you all next week.
 
Joe Dredd

dodgyville wrote: ↑

Looking for positives, I imagine Orac is a hard character to write for and there was a hint, just a hint, of an effective method.

There's a moment when Tarrant asks Orac to solve a problem and Orac says "The logical alternatives are within the bounds of human reasoning. I suggest you consider them and leave me in peace to reflect on those matters which are not."

I think that is a logical way to limit Orac while still preserving its status as the most amazing computer of all time. So "Power" got one thing right.


Avon says at the end that Orac is not being difficult, but functioning to request. Avon hasn't told the others what he is doing (trying to fix the teleport, need a crystal, going to get one from the big gang of savages or at least their territory) or what he suspects (the Seska are trying to steal the spaceship and have deliberately misdirected Dorian's efforts at a teleport into another direction). He's playing his cards close to his chest and instructs Orac to give the most roundabout answers as part of delaying them (and keeping them out of danger?).
 
Obsidian

Joe Dredd wrote: ↑

dodgyville wrote: ↑

So that was "Power", interested to know what people think?


I like the puzzle about the non-working teleport and how it all comes together. The idea of a war between the sexes is completely stupid, however. How would that ever work and who would agree to that? There are some redeeming features - Avon's "You have a charming way with women" is clearly our hero saying this behaviour is NOT ON AT ALL. At the same time, there are other things implied - women aren't 100% 'real' until they're married - that are wrong on a much larger scale, and so while I dismiss it as total rubbish I can see how others may be offended or uncomfortable with it.


I actually see it as BSteed saying, rather clumsily, that men and women can't manage to run a society without each other.
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Obsidian

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

OK, I need to go and get a Covid jab. Thanks for the rewatch, and see you all next week.


Lucky you! Have a good week.
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Joe Dredd
I also like the idea that Dorian was getting help with the teleport. It fits in with the idea that he used the talents of others to develop what he had (e.g. Slave being described as 'sophisticated' and mention of a visit to Ensor; the clipguns being remarkable and his girlfriend happens to be a top gunslinger). It also explains why he'd failed for so long.
 
dodgyville

Obsidian wrote: ↑

Joe Dredd wrote: ↑

dodgyville wrote: ↑

So that was "Power", interested to know what people think?


I like the puzzle about the non-working teleport and how it all comes together. The idea of a war between the sexes is completely stupid, however. How would that ever work and who would agree to that? There are some redeeming features - Avon's "You have a charming way with women" is clearly our hero saying this behaviour is NOT ON AT ALL. At the same time, there are other things implied - women aren't 100% 'real' until they're married - that are wrong on a much larger scale, and so while I dismiss it as total rubbish I can see how others may be offended or uncomfortable with it.


I actually see it as BSteed saying, rather clumsily, that men and women can't manage to run a society without each other.


20th century scifi continually tried to do the "planet of the women where men are hunted" concept and I don't think it ever worked and was often one of the worst episodes of whatever show tried it!
 
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Tyce
I just had a problem with the Internet and was out of action for 10 minutes. Never mind, I probably should go anyway, see you next week.
 
Obsidian

Joe Dredd wrote: ↑

dodgyville wrote: ↑

Looking for positives, I imagine Orac is a hard character to write for and there was a hint, just a hint, of an effective method.

There's a moment when Tarrant asks Orac to solve a problem and Orac says "The logical alternatives are within the bounds of human reasoning. I suggest you consider them and leave me in peace to reflect on those matters which are not."

I think that is a logical way to limit Orac while still preserving its status as the most amazing computer of all time. So "Power" got one thing right.


Avon says at the end that Orac is not being difficult, but functioning to request. Avon hasn't told the others what he is doing (trying to fix the teleport, need a crystal, going to get one from the big gang of savages or at least their territory) or what he suspects (the Seska are trying to steal the spaceship and have deliberately misdirected Dorian's efforts at a teleport into another direction). He's playing his cards close to his chest and instructs Orac to give the most roundabout answers as part of delaying them (and keeping them out of danger?).


Agreed, and also about the last part. He does a lot of that all in all. He ought to tell the others but knows that the squabbling would be a pain, so he doesn't. Tough choice.
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Joe Dredd

Obsidian wrote: ↑

I actually see it as BSteed saying, rather clumsily, that men and women can't manage to run a society without each other.


That's a good observation, Obsidian. I have wondered if Avon's "charming way with women" line was written by Ben Steed or Chris Boucher, but I imagine Avon's conclusion about running out of people was Steed's. He may well have been making a plea for more harmoney between men and women.
 
M1795537OCVirn
For me 'Power' is a bit boring because it repeats so much that we've seen before: seems it's only there to get us from dead sea monsters back to 'civilisation'. It does do that, but for me it's a waste of an episode, because their escape from Xenon could have been done in a few choice lines, really, without having to invent an implausible war of the sexes.
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Obsidian

Joe Dredd wrote: ↑

I also like the idea that Dorian was getting help with the teleport. It fits in with the idea that he used the talents of others to develop what he had (e.g. Slave being described as 'sophisticated' and mention of a visit to Ensor; the clipguns being remarkable and his girlfriend happens to be a top gunslinger). It also explains why he'd failed for so long.


Because that's how societies work effectively; each doing their part. This episode I see as full of moral tales.
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Obsidian

Joe Dredd wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

I actually see it as BSteed saying, rather clumsily, that men and women can't manage to run a society without each other.


That's a good observation, Obsidian. I have wondered if Avon's "charming way with women" line was written by ben Steed or Chris Boucher, but I imagine Avon's conclusion about running out of people was Steed's. He may well have been making a plea for more harmoney between men and women.


I think that's EXACTLY what he was doing. I remember the gender politics of time quite viscerally. They weren't pretty from where I was sitting.
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dodgyville
Is Dorian one of the most consequential characters in the B7 universe from during its run? The captain of The London, the man who invented Orac, Dorian...
 
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dodgyville
Anyway, thanks for the laughs. Have a good week everyone!
 
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Joe Dredd
Kate says the Seska had been working on the teleport for generations. I wonder if that was all with Dorian, and whether there'd always been a plan by the top Seskas to produce a tele-ergotron, or if that only happened when Pella got to power.
 
Obsidian

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

For me 'Power' is a bit boring because it repeats so much that we've seen before: seems it's only there to get us from dead sea monsters back to 'civilisation'. It does do that, but for me it's a waste of an episode, because their escape from Xenon could have been done in a few choice lines, really, without having to invent an implausible war of the sexes.


Possibly. It's not a great episode but I don't see it as bad. It does, however, provide a context for many of the things that Dorian could not have achieved on his own, not even with his original partner.
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Obsidian

dodgyville wrote: ↑

Is Dorian one of the most consequential characters in the B7 universe from during its run? The captain of The London, the man who invented Orac, Dorian...


I believe so. And he's a popular character.
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Joe Dredd

dodgyville wrote: ↑

Is Dorian one of the most consequential characters in the B7 universe from during its run? The captain of The London, the man who invented Orac, Dorian...


Sorry, dodgyville, I don't get what you mean. Did you mean to say Ensor at the start?
 
M1795537OCVirn

Joe Dredd wrote: ↑

Kate says the Seska had been working on the teleport for generations. I wonder if that was all with Dorian, and whether there'd always been a plan by the top Seskas to produce a tele-ergotron, or if that only happened when Pella got to power.


We may never know! Dorian was around for quite a while, so maybe he used them to forward his own research. Don't see him working with anyone else unless he was keeping the results for himself, really.
Anyway, I'd better go and do useful things. Thanks for the rewatch, everyone.
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dodgyville

Joe Dredd wrote: ↑

dodgyville wrote: ↑

Is Dorian one of the most consequential characters in the B7 universe from during its run? The captain of The London, the man who invented Orac, Dorian...


Sorry, dodgyville, I don't get what you mean. Did you mean to say Ensor at the start?


I just mean that Dorian has a massive impact on the direction Avon and the gang take that I never really noticed. Maybe even a bigger impact than Ensor or the Captain of the London.
 
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Obsidian

Joe Dredd wrote: ↑

Kate says the Seska had been working on the teleport for generations. I wonder if that was all with Dorian, and whether there'd always been a plan by the top Seskas to produce a tele-ergotron, or if that only happened when Pella got to power.


Good question. Pella certainly comes across as a driving force, but I guess someone had to be given that the Seska were being reduced in number every day. She tries methods for improving or advancing her, if not their, lot. A lot of it reminds me of current (and a lot of past) politics.
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Obsidian

dodgyville wrote: ↑

Joe Dredd wrote: ↑

dodgyville wrote: ↑

Is Dorian one of the most consequential characters in the B7 universe from during its run? The captain of The London, the man who invented Orac, Dorian...


Sorry, dodgyville, I don't get what you mean. Did you mean to say Ensor at the start?


I just mean that Dorian has a massive impact on the direction Avon and the gang take that I never really noticed. Maybe even a bigger impact than Ensor or the Captain of the London.


Absolutely! And Pella and the Seska are part of that impact, but Dorian is essential to the crew's redirection, as it were.
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Obsidian
Anyway, lovely to rewatch with you all. Next week, insha'allah!
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Joe Dredd

dodgyville wrote: ↑

Joe Dredd wrote: ↑

dodgyville wrote: ↑

Is Dorian one of the most consequential characters in the B7 universe from during its run? The captain of The London, the man who invented Orac, Dorian...


Sorry, dodgyville, I don't get what you mean. Did you mean to say Ensor at the start?


I just mean that Dorian has a massive impact on the direction Avon and the gang take that I never really noticed. Maybe even a bigger impact than Ensor or the Captain of the London.


Yes, quite possibly. But possibly not as much as Blake.
 
Joe Dredd
Good night all. Thanks for the rewatch. See you next time...

Obsidian wrote: ↑

Anyway, lovely to rewatch with you all. Next week, insha'allah!


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