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Rewatch Downunder - The Way Back, Saturday 31st December
Travisina

Obsidian wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

The costumes of Federation citizens are incredibly ugly, aren't they? Those slacks and tunics!


The tunics/tabards remind me of what I wore as a check-out chick in the local supermarket at the time.

And the uniforms in Dinner Ladies! One of my fave sitcoms, frequently revisited and much quoted in our house.
dinnerladies
There is no point being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes
 
AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

Travisina wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Travisina wrote: ↑

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Hi Anne. Good hols?


Not nearly long enough! But a very nice week doing nothing - although I've done quite a bit of writing on my B7 TNG story.

B7 TNG? Presuming a continuation, not a Trek crossover?
There was an excellent B7/STOS crossover, back in the day. I think it was called 'Strangers Among Us' - or might have been 'Port in a Storm'.


I'll have to look that up! No, this is set 20-odd years post-Gauda Prime, involving, among other people, the sons of the Blake clone. It's big and baggy and I will probably never finish it, but it's fun to write.

I love fun-to-wrte stuff. I wrote a Vila novella in which I exorcised personal demons dating back to high school. It was wonderfully therapeutic, but having done its job, I don't feel compelled to inflict it on anyone else!


Ditto my various attempts at Servalan and her - well let's just say she has a new sidekick. But it's so nice to spend time in the B7 universe with our virtual friends!


Ooh, that sounds fun!
 
M1795537OCVirn
Forgive me for grinning at your resolutions (again) Boss. Have you put the Hanukkah candles away yet?
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
Obsidian

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

The costumes of Federation citizens are incredibly ugly, aren't they? Those slacks and tunics!


The tunics/tabards remind me of what I wore as a check-out chick in the local supermarket at the time.


Oh yes, that's it exactly! But it looks so very cheap - it adds to the shabby, over-stretched totalitarian society that you were talking about.
Exactly. Drear.

Meanwhile, the 9pm fireworks are going off at the lake.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
 
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M1795537OCVirn

Obsidian wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Travisina wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

It's interesting that in this ep. we get to see explosive stuff coming out of the Federation blasters.

I don't know. Tsk, tsk; bleeding all over those lovely 1970s' flokati rugs.

The massacre is brutal. Can't imagine this being shown on early evening TV these days. 'Triggering' in every sense of the word.


And they could never use child abuse, even as a false accusation.


Here, just hitting a kid was the central theme of a whole TV program with everyone wringing their hands. So PC I couldn't watch it.


And yet people rave over Harry Potter, who was neglected and made to sleep under the stairs...
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
Travisina

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

Forgive me for grinning at your resolutions (again) Boss. Have you put the Hanukkah candles away yet?

Ha ha, how well you know me! And no, I've not put it away yet. Grin
There is no point being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes
 
AnneArthur

Obsidian wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Travisina wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

It's interesting that in this ep. we get to see explosive stuff coming out of the Federation blasters.

I don't know. Tsk, tsk; bleeding all over those lovely 1970s' flokati rugs.

The massacre is brutal. Can't imagine this being shown on early evening TV these days. 'Triggering' in every sense of the word.


And they could never use child abuse, even as a false accusation.


Here, just hitting a kid was the central theme of a whole TV program with everyone wringing their hands. So PC I couldn't watch it.


Based on a novel called The Slap? I've seen it - and read it for a book group I was in then. I agree with you - everything was so exaggerated as to be ridiculous.
 
Obsidian
The Accused was bound to be found guilty because doing anything else means making an effort.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
 
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AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Travisina wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

It's interesting that in this ep. we get to see explosive stuff coming out of the Federation blasters.

I don't know. Tsk, tsk; bleeding all over those lovely 1970s' flokati rugs.

The massacre is brutal. Can't imagine this being shown on early evening TV these days. 'Triggering' in every sense of the word.


And they could never use child abuse, even as a false accusation.


Here, just hitting a kid was the central theme of a whole TV program with everyone wringing their hands. So PC I couldn't watch it.


And yet people rave over Harry Potter, who was neglected and made to sleep under the stairs...


I think it's the over-the-top, cartoonish nature of the Dursleys' treatment of Harry that gets it past the critics.
 
M1795537OCVirn
A category 9 crime? One wonders what the other 8 were - including the cat 4 'going outside' one. Suggestions??
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
Travisina
I've just finished binge-watching 'The Traitors' (waiting for a punch line that never came - that the whole thing was a scripted drama. Apparently not, it was an actual game show) - but honestly, what a bunch of wet lettuces. They spent most of the time in floods of tears - and the men were worse than the women!
There is no point being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes
 
AnneArthur
What on earth is Tarrant playing at turning up like that? It looks as though it is deliberate, to rub it in to Blake's mind.
 
M1795537OCVirn

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Travisina wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

It's interesting that in this ep. we get to see explosive stuff coming out of the Federation blasters.

I don't know. Tsk, tsk; bleeding all over those lovely 1970s' flokati rugs.

The massacre is brutal. Can't imagine this being shown on early evening TV these days. 'Triggering' in every sense of the word.


And they could never use child abuse, even as a false accusation.


Here, just hitting a kid was the central theme of a whole TV program with everyone wringing their hands. So PC I couldn't watch it.


And yet people rave over Harry Potter, who was neglected and made to sleep under the stairs...


I think it's the over-the-top, cartoonish nature of the Dursleys' treatment of Harry that gets it past the critics.


Agreed. But it's not 'over the top' if you're the child and it's happening to you!
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
Obsidian

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Travisina wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

It's interesting that in this ep. we get to see explosive stuff coming out of the Federation blasters.

I don't know. Tsk, tsk; bleeding all over those lovely 1970s' flokati rugs.

The massacre is brutal. Can't imagine this being shown on early evening TV these days. 'Triggering' in every sense of the word.


And they could never use child abuse, even as a false accusation.


Here, just hitting a kid was the central theme of a whole TV program with everyone wringing their hands. So PC I couldn't watch it.


Based on a novel called The Slap? I've seen it - and read it for a book group I was in then. I agree with you - everything was so exaggerated as to be ridiculous.


That's the one. One episode would have been enough. Very exaggerated with loads of hand-wringing. Years back, a local comedy show parodied the popular expressions of shock-horror that accompanied the sort of premise written about in this novel.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
 
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Travisina

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Travisina wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

It's interesting that in this ep. we get to see explosive stuff coming out of the Federation blasters.

I don't know. Tsk, tsk; bleeding all over those lovely 1970s' flokati rugs.

The massacre is brutal. Can't imagine this being shown on early evening TV these days. 'Triggering' in every sense of the word.


And they could never use child abuse, even as a false accusation.


Here, just hitting a kid was the central theme of a whole TV program with everyone wringing their hands. So PC I couldn't watch it.


And yet people rave over Harry Potter, who was neglected and made to sleep under the stairs...


I think it's the over-the-top, cartoonish nature of the Dursleys' treatment of Harry that gets it past the critics.

Yes - they're all figures of fun (until it gets super serious in later books). Critics of JK Rowling nowadays are too busy piling on her for what they perceive as fatphobia, transphobia, antisemitism etc...
There is no point being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes
 
AnneArthur
I like the introduction of Vila - you don't know whether to trust him or not. And doesn't he look young, compared to the Vila we saw last week?
 
Travisina

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

A category 9 crime? One wonders what the other 8 were - including the cat 4 'going outside' one. Suggestions??

Maybe there were more than 9?
There is no point being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes
 
Obsidian

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

A category 9 crime? One wonders what the other 8 were - including the cat 4 'going outside' one. Suggestions??


That's how it would be here. We already have cat-going-outside crimes here in Canberra. Wonder who is going to keep down the equally exotic mice and rats????
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
 
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AnneArthur

Travisina wrote: ↑

I've just finished binge-watching 'The Traitors' (waiting for a punch line that never came - that the whole thing was a scripted drama. Apparently not, it was an actual game show) - but honestly, what a bunch of wet lettuces. They spent most of the time in floods of tears - and the men were worse than the women!


I'm glad I didn't waste time on that one.
 
Travisina

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

What on earth is Tarrant playing at turning up like that? It looks as though it is deliberate, to rub it in to Blake's mind.

In the new Big Finish novelisation, the writer Paul Cornell goes deep into everyone's motivations and backgrounds...
There is no point being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes
 
M1795537OCVirn

Travisina wrote: ↑

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

A category 9 crime? One wonders what the other 8 were - including the cat 4 'going outside' one. Suggestions??

Maybe there were more than 9?


Probably. Including 'looking at Servalan in a funny way' - instant execution (unless you have enough money/ information on Blake).
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
Obsidian

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

I like the introduction of Vila - you don't know whether to trust him or not. And doesn't he look young, compared to the Vila we saw last week?


Both Vila and Jenna seem equally untrustworthy – the way Jenna strokes Blake's hair etc. Yes, Vila is very young here. The way the characters all get ground down is one of the brilliant things about this show.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
 
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Travisina

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

I like the introduction of Vila - you don't know whether to trust him or not. And doesn't he look young, compared to the Vila we saw last week?

Yes, I love this rather dark version of Vila. He doesn't really become the class clown until later on.
There is no point being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes
 
AnneArthur
Incredibly naive of Varon and his wife to talk so freely in front of that official.
 
AnneArthur

Travisina wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

What on earth is Tarrant playing at turning up like that? It looks as though it is deliberate, to rub it in to Blake's mind.

In the new Big Finish novelisation, the writer Paul Cornell goes deep into everyone's motivations and backgrounds...


Why do I always have more things to spend my money on than actual money?
 
Obsidian
Vila is also, evidently, quite a gossip-gatherer. He knows all about Jenna and, as we see, all about Avon, or at least, the gossip about them.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
 
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Travisina

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Incredibly naive of Varon and his wife to talk so freely in front of that official.

Necessary for the plot, but it does make them out to be a bit stupid.
Or because of the Federation 'class system', and they are obviously upper grades, they disregard the security person as the upper classes would ignore and speak freely in front of their servants.
There is no point being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes
 
Travisina

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Travisina wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

What on earth is Tarrant playing at turning up like that? It looks as though it is deliberate, to rub it in to Blake's mind.

In the new Big Finish novelisation, the writer Paul Cornell goes deep into everyone's motivations and backgrounds...


Why do I always have more things to spend my money on than actual money?

Grin
There is no point being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes
 
M1795537OCVirn

Travisina wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

I like the introduction of Vila - you don't know whether to trust him or not. And doesn't he look young, compared to the Vila we saw last week?

Yes, I love this rather dark version of Vila. He doesn't really become the class clown until later on.


Yes, he's much more believable like this. Until he realises that among a group of paranoids clowning (seeming harmless rather than worryingly clever) gives him an advantage, especially when people like Tarrant turn up.
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
AnneArthur

Obsidian wrote: ↑

Vila is also, evidently, quite a gossip-gatherer. He knows all about Jenna and, as we see, all about Avon, or at least, the gossip about them.


He's small and lower-class. Gossip is part of what he uses to survive.
 
Obsidian

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Travisina wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

What on earth is Tarrant playing at turning up like that? It looks as though it is deliberate, to rub it in to Blake's mind.

In the new Big Finish novelisation, the writer Paul Cornell goes deep into everyone's motivations and backgrounds...


Why do I always have more things to spend my money on than actual money?


As far as Big Finish goes, I'm way behind. Too many other goodies out there. Peter and Paul are regularly robbed.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
 
https://www.seraglio-design.com/
Travisina

Obsidian wrote: ↑

Vila is also, evidently, quite a gossip-gatherer. He knows all about Jenna and, as we see, all about Avon, or at least, the gossip about them.

Very slick and sly. It would be a survival thing for him - knowledge is power, when you're physically weak.
There is no point being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes
 
AnneArthur

Travisina wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Incredibly naive of Varon and his wife to talk so freely in front of that official.

Necessary for the plot, but it does make them out to be a bit stupid.
Or because of the Federation 'class system', and they are obviously upper grades, they disregard the security person as the upper classes would ignore and speak freely in front of their servants.


Sounds plausible.
 
Travisina

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

Vila is also, evidently, quite a gossip-gatherer. He knows all about Jenna and, as we see, all about Avon, or at least, the gossip about them.


He's small and lower-class. Gossip is part of what he uses to survive.

Snap! I just said almost exactly the same thing!
There is no point being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes
 
AnneArthur

Travisina wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

Vila is also, evidently, quite a gossip-gatherer. He knows all about Jenna and, as we see, all about Avon, or at least, the gossip about them.


He's small and lower-class. Gossip is part of what he uses to survive.

Snap! I just said almost exactly the same thing!


Great minds think alike!
 
Obsidian

Travisina wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

Vila is also, evidently, quite a gossip-gatherer. He knows all about Jenna and, as we see, all about Avon, or at least, the gossip about them.

Very slick and sly. It would be a survival thing for him - knowledge is power, when you're physically weak.


I wish he'd stayed that way. In Cygnus Alpha he shows he CAN zap people if needed, but his survival skills mainly lie elsewhere. Having him useless in the killing department was taken a little too far for my liking.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
 
https://www.seraglio-design.com/
M1795537OCVirn
They really do think the prisoners are thick, don't they? 'Single file...one behind the other...' (sniggering).
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
Travisina
I'd love to know who the thief is with the lockpick Varon goes to borrow. A former client that Varon got off the hook?
There is no point being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes
 
Obsidian

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

They really do think the prisoners are thick, don't they? 'Single file...one behind the other...' (sniggering).


Nothing like 'good' tautology to fill the script.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
 
https://www.seraglio-design.com/
M1795537OCVirn

Obsidian wrote: ↑

Travisina wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

Vila is also, evidently, quite a gossip-gatherer. He knows all about Jenna and, as we see, all about Avon, or at least, the gossip about them.

Very slick and sly. It would be a survival thing for him - knowledge is power, when you're physically weak.


I wish he'd stayed that way. In Cygnus Alpha he shows he CAN zap people if needed, but his survival skills mainly lie elsewhere. Having him useless in the killing department was taken a little too far for my liking.


Lazy writing, I think. Easier to concentrate on the 'action' and only use Vila (or the girls) as and when the gunslingers run out of ideas.
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
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