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M1795537OCVirn

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OK, some interesting topics there. Wish we could have a Horizon con like the ones in the olden days, with panel discussions and suchlike.


It seems more to be about model-making and the new blu-rays these days (she says on the basis of having attended a grand total of one conference). Much less interesting.


Such a pity, really. It feels like the organisers are more interested in making money than getting fans together to celebrate anything. But to some extent it will depend on the interests of the organisers as well, so if they're into models or whatever, that's the easiest to set up.
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Obsidian

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I don't like Pella. Might be better if she could act.


I quite like the stiltedness. Whether or not it was intentional, who knows?
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AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

Where are you up to? I like the way we get some 'background' atmosphere of their continual arguing . You don't get that in any of the other SF Tv series.


You get something of it in Firefly, but not on this scale. In Star Trek/Babylon 5/Space 1999 they are professionals, so work together on that basis.
 
M1795537OCVirn
Vila gets a lot to do in this episode.
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Obsidian

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I have a secret hope that we could have a proper Horizon con for the 50th anniversary.


Me too. Who would run it, though? If I could get there, I'd be happy to help.
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Obsidian
Procreation chamber. Test tubes?
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Obsidian

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

Where are you up to? I like the way we get some 'background' atmosphere of their continual arguing . You don't get that in any of the other SF Tv series.


You get something of it in Firefly, but not on this scale. In Star Trek/Babylon 5/Space 1999 they are professionals, so work together on that basis.


Professionals backbite and plot against each other.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
 
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Obsidian

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

OK, some interesting topics there. Wish we could have a Horizon con like the ones in the olden days, with panel discussions and suchlike.


It seems more to be about model-making and the new blu-rays these days (she says on the basis of having attended a grand total of one conference). Much less interesting.


Such a pity, really. It feels like the organisers are more interested in making money than getting fans together to celebrate anything. But to some extent it will depend on the interests of the organisers as well, so if they're into models or whatever, that's the easiest to set up.


The difference between Seskas and Hommicks running them.
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Obsidian

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

Vila gets a lot to do in this episode.


He asks good questions.
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Obsidian
The Hommicks running the conferences need to take more note of Gunn Sar and his stitchery.
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M1795537OCVirn
I know we talked about this at the Tuesday rewatch, but you can always tell a Ben Steed episode, can't you?
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Obsidian
Buddleia: the rats of the plant world.
Humans: way ahead of rats.
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AnneArthur

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AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

Not summer here yet, though the plants are confused.

MsVirn, I thought you might like first roundtable discussion topic from the ORAC 90 Convention:
i.postimg.cc/C1VKzBP1/Orac-Program.jpg


That all sounds like great fun, although the fanfic sounds quite old-fashioned - does hurt/comfort even exist anymore?

I am ignoring the provocation of their assumption that people don't like Tarrant. I will only point out that without Jenna, they needed someone to fly the Liberator.


Hurt/comfort doesn't exist because it's all boys running around shooting weapons these days.

Actually, it would seem they didn't really need Tarrant if Avon was contemplating, back as early as Horizon, zooming around the galaxy with Orac as his sole companion. Even Blake leapt in to grab the controls from Jenna at one stage.


I agree that Avon could fly the ship on his own, under most circumstances, with ORAC's help - but, as his conversation with ORAC in Horizon makes clear, he is not a confident pilot. I suspect he would prefer to have a professional around - and I think that he is confident that he will always be able to dominate Tarrant. And Tarrant is useful for doing the running around, action hero kind of stuff.

I was wondering if you thought the Blakes 7 fanbase had become more male. I first became aware of it through a BBC series on cult TV fandoms - it was noticeable that the B7 episode was all women - Una McCormack, Judith Proctor and others.
 
Obsidian

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

I know we talked about this at the Tuesday rewatch, but you can always tell a Ben Steed episode, can't you?


Yes, because he is always challenging which is what and who is who.

Uh-oh. Avon got bopped on the head again.
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AnneArthur

Obsidian wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

Where are you up to? I like the way we get some 'background' atmosphere of their continual arguing . You don't get that in any of the other SF Tv series.


You get something of it in Firefly, but not on this scale. In Star Trek/Babylon 5/Space 1999 they are professionals, so work together on that basis.


Professionals backbite and plot against each other.


Yes, but perhaps less openly - in well-run workplaces.
 
AnneArthur
Is Kate Nina's daughter, do we think? And how did the Seska reproduce, do we think? Artificial insemination, or was it all artificial, like the Auronar?
 
M1795537OCVirn
Cato seems a good sort. He needs to train up a successor.
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

Cato seems a good sort. He needs to train up a successor.


This is a weakness of the system. He should have picked out a couple of likely boys and be teaching them the tricks of his trade.
 
M1795537OCVirn

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

Where are you up to? I like the way we get some 'background' atmosphere of their continual arguing . You don't get that in any of the other SF Tv series.


You get something of it in Firefly, but not on this scale. In Star Trek/Babylon 5/Space 1999 they are professionals, so work together on that basis.


Professionals backbite and plot against each other.


Yes, but perhaps less openly - in well-run workplaces.


My point was that the arguing makes B7 more human, less workplace and more approachable, easier for the audience to suspend their disbelief.
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

Where are you up to? I like the way we get some 'background' atmosphere of their continual arguing . You don't get that in any of the other SF Tv series.


You get something of it in Firefly, but not on this scale. In Star Trek/Babylon 5/Space 1999 they are professionals, so work together on that basis.


Professionals backbite and plot against each other.


Yes, but perhaps less openly - in well-run workplaces.


My point was that the arguing makes B7 more human, less workplace and more approachable, easier for the audience to suspend their disbelief.


Yes, I agree.
 
Obsidian

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

Not summer here yet, though the plants are confused.

MsVirn, I thought you might like first roundtable discussion topic from the ORAC 90 Convention:
i.postimg.cc/C1VKzBP1/Orac-Program.jpg


That all sounds like great fun, although the fanfic sounds quite old-fashioned - does hurt/comfort even exist anymore?

I am ignoring the provocation of their assumption that people don't like Tarrant. I will only point out that without Jenna, they needed someone to fly the Liberator.


Hurt/comfort doesn't exist because it's all boys running around shooting weapons these days.

Actually, it would seem they didn't really need Tarrant if Avon was contemplating, back as early as Horizon, zooming around the galaxy with Orac as his sole companion. Even Blake leapt in to grab the controls from Jenna at one stage.


I agree that Avon could fly the ship on his own, under most circumstances, with ORAC's help - but, as his conversation with ORAC in Horizon makes clear, he is not a confident pilot. I suspect he would prefer to have a professional around - and I think that he is confident that he will always be able to dominate Tarrant. And Tarrant is useful for doing the running around, action hero kind of stuff.

I was wondering if you thought the Blakes 7 fanbase had become more male. I first became aware of it through a BBC series on cult TV fandoms - it was noticeable that the B7 episode was all women - Una McCormack, Judith Proctor and others.


I think you're mostly right about Avon. I think he's used to others doing the more manual tasks. Not that he can't do them himself, and he has, but he prefers not to. And yes, he can dominate Tarrant.

And I do think the fandom has become overwhelmingly male, and the kind of male who was only a small child when the show was first on. They missed the point then because they were kids. They miss the point now because, in large part, the history is lost on the them and they are still kids. And they often fail to grasp the strength of the writing of relationships between the characters. It is the main strength of the show. What it lacked in whizz bangs it made up for in the writing. The boys are trying to introduce things that weren't there, such as "better" props and effects. Completely missing the point.
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M1795537OCVirn
Cheating!
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AnneArthur
Of course, we make much of the decline of Seska numbers, but we see no young Hommmiks either - and no Hommik women except Nina. Perhaps they are not very good at capturing Seska, and their numbers are declining too? In that case, there may not be the couple of likely boys to be trained as Cato's apprentices.
 
M1795537OCVirn
Where can I get some dynamon? And someone to help me implant it.Telekinesis wouild be sooooo useful.
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
Obsidian

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

Where are you up to? I like the way we get some 'background' atmosphere of their continual arguing . You don't get that in any of the other SF Tv series.


You get something of it in Firefly, but not on this scale. In Star Trek/Babylon 5/Space 1999 they are professionals, so work together on that basis.


Professionals backbite and plot against each other.


Yes, but perhaps less openly - in well-run workplaces.


My point was that the arguing makes B7 more human, less workplace and more approachable, easier for the audience to suspend their disbelief.


Absolutely! That was one thing I liked in the convention footage from the Series B blu-rays. Sally, Jacks and Jan are interviewed and Jacks, in particular, points out that it is the relationships between the characters that are driving force in the show.
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Obsidian

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Of course, we make much of the decline of Seska numbers, but we see no young Hommmiks either - and no Hommik women except Nina. Perhaps they are not very good at capturing Seska, and their numbers are declining too? In that case, there may not be the couple of likely boys to be trained as Cato's apprentices.


Definitely no-one to replace Cato and I've been asking myself who all the Hommicks are that Gunn Sar boasts about taking out.
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Obsidian

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

Where can I get some dynamon? And someone to help me implant it.Telekinesis wouild be sooooo useful.


I could do with some as well. A reboot would be a start.
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M1795537OCVirn
Has anyone written about what happened to the Seska and Hommicks after the Scorpio left?
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
Obsidian

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

Where are you up to? I like the way we get some 'background' atmosphere of their continual arguing . You don't get that in any of the other SF Tv series.


You get something of it in Firefly, but not on this scale. In Star Trek/Babylon 5/Space 1999 they are professionals, so work together on that basis.


Professionals backbite and plot against each other.


Yes, but perhaps less openly - in well-run workplaces.


Pssst: Can't say I've ever encountered any.
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M1795537OCVirn
Looks just like Tracy Island.
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Obsidian

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

Has anyone written about what happened to the Seska and Hommicks after the Scorpio left?


I think we wonder this every time and I'm not aware of anything. I do wonder, as just mentioned, who these other Hommicks are that Gunn Sar has defeated. It even seems as if there might be other groups elsewhere on the planet, or does occupation on every planet at this stage consist merely of single small groups? The infrastructure suggests not, though in-fighting might have wiped them out.
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Obsidian

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

Looks just like Tracy Island.


It does look just like Tracy Island. Only the palm tree doesn't swing out of the way.
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M1795537OCVirn
So instead of a pirate, they've picked up a mercenary? Soolin might outlast the lot of them.
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Obsidian

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

So instead of a pirate, they've picked up a mercenary? Soolin might outlast the lot of them.


So far she's exhibited admirable discretion.
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AnneArthur

Obsidian wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Of course, we make much of the decline of Seska numbers, but we see no young Hommmiks either - and no Hommik women except Nina. Perhaps they are not very good at capturing Seska, and their numbers are declining too? In that case, there may not be the couple of likely boys to be trained as Cato's apprentices.


Definitely no-one to replace Cato and I've been asking myself who all the Hommicks are that Gunn Sar boasts about taking out.


Again, not very intelligent - reducing your manpower in pointless feuds and challenges.
 
M1795537OCVirn

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Of course, we make much of the decline of Seska numbers, but we see no young Hommmiks either - and no Hommik women except Nina. Perhaps they are not very good at capturing Seska, and their numbers are declining too? In that case, there may not be the couple of likely boys to be trained as Cato's apprentices.


Definitely no-one to replace Cato and I've been asking myself who all the Hommicks are that Gunn Sar boasts about taking out.


Again, not very intelligent - reducing your manpower in pointless feuds and challenges.


Another reason for doubting whether 'survival of the fittest' is really the way things move forward. It depends what you mean by survival, and what they are fit for. Killing is hardly the best survival strategy.
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AnneArthur

Obsidian wrote: ↑

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

Where are you up to? I like the way we get some 'background' atmosphere of their continual arguing . You don't get that in any of the other SF Tv series.


You get something of it in Firefly, but not on this scale. In Star Trek/Babylon 5/Space 1999 they are professionals, so work together on that basis.


Professionals backbite and plot against each other.


Yes, but perhaps less openly - in well-run workplaces.


My point was that the arguing makes B7 more human, less workplace and more approachable, easier for the audience to suspend their disbelief.


Absolutely! That was one thing I liked in the convention footage from the Series B blu-rays. Sally, Jacks and Jan are interviewed and Jacks, in particular, points out that it is the relationships between the characters that are driving force in the show.


Yes - when I came back to it as an adult I was amazed at how consistent they were, despite the ragbag of writers who wrote for the series. And it's what makes the Tanith Lee episodes so interesting - she picks up on things that were lying dormant and beings them to the fore.
 
Obsidian

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Of course, we make much of the decline of Seska numbers, but we see no young Hommmiks either - and no Hommik women except Nina. Perhaps they are not very good at capturing Seska, and their numbers are declining too? In that case, there may not be the couple of likely boys to be trained as Cato's apprentices.


Definitely no-one to replace Cato and I've been asking myself who all the Hommicks are that Gunn Sar boasts about taking out.


Again, not very intelligent - reducing your manpower in pointless feuds and challenges.


You must find that rather familiar from the time periods you deal with. Studying medieval history as an undergraduate, remembering who was who did my head in.
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AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Of course, we make much of the decline of Seska numbers, but we see no young Hommmiks either - and no Hommik women except Nina. Perhaps they are not very good at capturing Seska, and their numbers are declining too? In that case, there may not be the couple of likely boys to be trained as Cato's apprentices.


Definitely no-one to replace Cato and I've been asking myself who all the Hommicks are that Gunn Sar boasts about taking out.


Again, not very intelligent - reducing your manpower in pointless feuds and challenges.


Another reason for doubting whether 'survival of the fittest' is really the way things move forward. It depends what you mean by survival, and what they are fit for. Killing is hardly the best survival strategy.


The 'fittest' might perhaps be those who can lead by bringing others with them, who know when to compromise, when to build consensus, when to put their foot down, rather than those who just rely on brute force.
 
M1795537OCVirn

Obsidian wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Obsidian wrote: ↑

AnneArthur wrote: ↑

Of course, we make much of the decline of Seska numbers, but we see no young Hommmiks either - and no Hommik women except Nina. Perhaps they are not very good at capturing Seska, and their numbers are declining too? In that case, there may not be the couple of likely boys to be trained as Cato's apprentices.


Definitely no-one to replace Cato and I've been asking myself who all the Hommicks are that Gunn Sar boasts about taking out.


Again, not very intelligent - reducing your manpower in pointless feuds and challenges.


You must find that rather familiar from the time periods you deal with. Studying medieval history as an undergraduate, remembering who was who did my head in.


It doesn't need to be medieval to do that...I couldn't tell you who most of the current 'important' politicians are (and care less).
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