Agreed. DW is nowhere near as edgy as it was to begin with. It's too formulaic now. More of a vehicle for the guest actors and the merch than good writing. The people who write/wrote for DW often have a hard time getting to grips with what B7 is all about.

Yes, it's a nice touch.

Agreed. DW is nowhere near as edgy as it was to begin with. It's too formulaic now. More of a vehicle for the guest actors and the merch than good writing. The people who write/wrote for DW often have a hard time getting to grips with what B7 is all about. R

She's very human. Just driven.

I find the references to him as a 'lonely god' and sim. especially annoying. The original Doctor would never have stood for that for a minute.

Do we think Avon's enthusiasm for gambling in this episode is out of character or not?

Do we think Avon's enthusiasm for gambling in this episode is out of character or not?

Really? That is awful. Even when played by actors I like, I haven't been able to stand the show since the '80s. I try again and encounter schlock.

British end. Could never stand Star Blech.

Yes, I have to agree with you. Avon knows when walk away. He's more a numerical analyst who likes playing the numbers, not a gambler as such.

Yes, I have to agree with you. Avon knows when walk away. He's more a numerical analyst who likes playing the numbers, not a gambler as such.

Those drinks look perfect, Obsidian! Especially the blue one, and the greens look very authentic too.



Me too. I get frustrated by how much Big Finish drags Trekisms into B7. I started reading the new Spacefall novelisations and straight away it starts using warp terminology. Ugh. But they don't care...

<runs away again>

He's just sentimental about money.

That is so annoying. Like Captain Picard suddenly saying 'Standard by Ten'.

Part of the problem with DW is that it's adults writing for kids, but using mainly adult ideas. I wish they'd ask real kids to come up with ideas about where to take DW in the future. They'd be so much better at imagining something new, not re-hashing mangled bits of history, old scifi themes etc

A Sontaran without his helmet?

A Sontaran without his helmet?

Blake knows that Avon and Vila weren't just sitting there - this is why it's always Jenna and Cally that are left behind. He can trust them

Blake knows that Avon and Vila weren't just sitting there - this is why it's always Jenna and Cally that are left behind. He can trust them

But Dr Who writers were doing that in the past but they weren't treating children as idiots. Everything is goo-goo now.

Yes, yes, yes! I hate it. All the people who weren't even born when the show was on and don't know the history. I squirm with this stuff. It's like the zines of old where USA-ans were writing and having no care that it is a British show (for British people. There is nothing for you here. – Another British show).

Another rescue from the costume department!

I don't mind Americans writing - but not respecting the universe is a major sin.

I don't mind Americans writing - but not respecting the universe is a major sin.

The USA is in a parallel universe all of its own.

I don't mind them writing at all, And I am talking about the earlier zines, but it is the case of not respecting the universe. Having to place the action in obviously USA-an (Canadians, Mexicans, Peruvians etc are also Americans) contexts in order to make sense of it. That includes referencing US TV shows instead of B7 itself. The rest of the world understands that we all come from different cultural backgrounds and that that influences the shows. Sadly, (just reading up on more cultural theory today), the USA still thinks US economics and its popular cultural outcomes are the same for all of us. They're not.

Glad you could join us, Anne! Always enjoy your view on things. Nice to have a snippet or two from Joe, too. Love hearing from you, too, Obsidian. Oh, well, I guess I'll just have to put all this away and go and enjoy the sun (again). Take care, you upside-downers!

Part of the problem with DW is that it's adults writing for kids

That's what I meant about them being in their own universe. Your version is so much more detailed and eloquent!

I tend to think of that as the strength of old Who (and B7, and many other dramas etc), whereas these days both Who and B7 are written by kids, albeit kids who are now grown up. Of course there are exceptions, and a lot of hackwork in the old days, but it reminds me of a comment I read somewhere that said the Beatles produced a great variety of inventive music because their influences were broad - not just Little Richard, but the Goons, Salvador Dali, etc - whereas a more modern band like Oasis would say they were solely influenced by the Beatles. I tend to feel BF is 'influenced' by Star Trek, not necessarily to the point of slavishly copying it but having it so ingrained it keeps percolating up in places it shouldn't be.