Or it's a ship's crew. In space/at sea, emergencies tend to arise where there isn't time for a mature discussion of the options - a chain of command is essential. And Avon ends up getting equally dictatorial - it's the nature of the beast.

But where else would they go? Leaving Blake with all that loot as well as the ship? I don't think so. Also, Blake is so concerned with his 'cause' that doesn't often pause near enough to somewhere civilised to let them off.

Well, ultimately, why shouldn’t Blake have the ship? Gan and Villa were only invited aboard. And if there was a vote between Blake, Avon and Jenna, Jenna would vote with Blake. Besides, it was Blake, who defeated the Liberator defence system in Space Fall. They all would be dead, without his abilities to “recognise dreams”.

The whole point about this is that they are ostensibly eschewing the military because the military is not an ideal model. And what Avon gets like irrelevant as he's not blithering about freedom in one breath and then behaving like a dictator in the next. It's Blake's hypocrisy that is galling.

The whole point about this is that they are ostensibly eschewing the military because the military is not an ideal model. And what Avon gets like irrelevant as he's not blithering about freedom in one breath and then behaving like a dictator in the next. It's Blake's hypocrisy that is galling.

Cally's best outfit. Wonder where it went?

Considering the circumstances, I don’t think freedom is about democracy it’s about destroying the enemy, so you can stay alive.

Seriously, enough with all the re-quotes. Some poor soul might be trying to follow this on their phone.

LO Yep, I’m one of those poor souls. LOL

No - when he attempts to override the mission to Auron to try to save Cally's people from the plague, in favour of his own mission of revenge for darling Anna, he's just behaving like a selfish antisocial *****. Who would not prefer to be led by such a person?

Thank you. Sorry for being dictatorial (a bit). Maybe it's infectious.

Either destroyed aboard the Liberator when it went bang, or Costumes had so much trouble getting all the chalk dust out they gave up and recycled it into something esle.

GREAT SLOW FIGHTING!

He's not pretending to be anything else, unlike Blake. This is only about the presumption of leadership, nothing else. Blake's presuming it, without first consulting, is the problem. His assuming that everyone will always do what he wants is dictatorial. His sense of revenge is over-riding anything anyone else might think or want. They may all be glad to be there but that doesn't necessarily mean they should always go along with what Blake says. Simples, as the little meercat says.

What's actually supposed to be wrong with Gan that he has to haul himself about like that?

That was annoying. The DVD suddenly froze, then started jumping around. I hope it isn't damaged.

I was so busy being part of the discussion, that I think I just forgot to watch the episode, LOL might have to go and do that now….. :-)

Another situation for which there is no appropriate emoji. I sympathise.

To answer your point about Blake, though, Ms Virn, I think Blake quickly sees that if he allows discussion it will be infinite - especially if Avon is involved, as he is clearly a contrarian who will attempt to argue that balck is white on even the most minor of issues. So he simply takes charge. Not democratic, but efficient. At the beginning of series 3, I think that Avon is determined not to do it like that - but he's a natural loner and critc, not a leader, and the result, a few episodes in (the Harvest of Kairos is a good example), is that he seems to spend his time sulking and being passive-agressive with Tarrant, who is seriously pissed off with this. (My take on Tarrant is that he is ex-military, he is used to a chain of command and is, I think, slightly frightened without one. He tries to take charge himself, but the crew don't really know him, and Avon, the dog in the manger, frustrates his attempts). When Avon sorts himself out and realises that he does have to actually lead (and that Blake was not as wrong as he always thought (not that he will ever tell Blake that)) things improve a lot, and Tarrant stops being a nuisance and settles down as a mostly reliable second in command. Then Avon goes mad, but that is another story! [mail][/mail]

That was annoying. The DVD suddenly froze, then started jumping around. I hope it isn't damaged.

Avon is not a contrarian for the sake of it, but the character is written as the Devil's Advocate that Blake has to have. He doesn't want to be a leader but he does want a fair say. In the end he might agree with what's happening, but he simply wants to be asked. If he were asked more often, he'd be less of a pest and probably wouldn't argue so much. It's the bit of human nature that wants at least to know that your input is being acknowledged (better word than considered, because that's not necessary).

I was so busy being part of the discussion, that I think I just forgot to watch the episode, LOL might have to go and do that now….. :-)

Think you're right about the wanting to be heard.

OK, I'm getting cold now (fan heater going full blast and it's not making much difference). Thanks for some great discussion and things to think about. Hope we can do the same next time! Although the Web isn't particularly inspiring SF, IMO. It's just something we have to do before we can get to the proper episodes - the ones with Servalan in.
Enjoy your week, rebels.

Avon is not a contrarian for the sake of it, but the character is written as the Devil's Advocate that Blake has to have. He doesn't want to be a leader but he does want a fair say. In the end he might agree with what's happening, but he simply wants to be asked. If he were asked more often, he'd be less of a pest and probably wouldn't argue so much. It's the bit of human nature that wants at least to know that your input is being acknowledged (better word than considered, because that's not necessary).