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Rewatch Downunder Saturday 25th November D9 Sand
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:08
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Alpha Grade ![]() Posts: 8709 Joined: 16.01.22 |
That said, I think it doesn't really work with Vila - he just isn't interested. And she probably underestimates the women. She did try with Vila in Traitor but it wasn't the time or place. And Vila uses the stand-up comedian to disassociate himself from certain kinds of action. And I agree with you totally about the women. They're not on her radar at all. But it didn't work because Vila is straight-up scared of her. There's no tension at all, sexual or otherwise. |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:09
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Also opening the door - very stupid. Totally! Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:09
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That said, I think it doesn't really work with Vila - he just isn't interested. And she probably underestimates the women. She did try with Vila in Traitor but it wasn't the time or place. And Vila uses the stand-up comedian to disassociate himself from certain kinds of action. And I agree with you totally about the women. They're not on her radar at all. She'd had enough of Dayna (who's supposed to be a 'child' ) on Saren. And she probably found Soolin boring. "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:10
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That said, I think it doesn't really work with Vila - he just isn't interested. And she probably underestimates the women. She did try with Vila in Traitor but it wasn't the time or place. And Vila uses the stand-up comedian to disassociate himself from certain kinds of action. And I agree with you totally about the women. They're not on her radar at all. But it didn't work because Vila is straight-up scared of her. There's no tension at all, sexual or otherwise. Joking is his displacement behaviour. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:10
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Alpha Grade ![]() Posts: 8709 Joined: 16.01.22 |
I think the reference to Sarcophagus is crass - but I do like that Vila is clearly still mourning Cally. |
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:11
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The probability square is the way David Bowie said he wrote some of his lyrics: just shuffled them until they worked. Like how you finish that really bad bit of sky in a jigsaw - try all the pieces until you find the one that fits. "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:12
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Alpha Grade ![]() Posts: 8709 Joined: 16.01.22 |
That said, I think it doesn't really work with Vila - he just isn't interested. And she probably underestimates the women. She did try with Vila in Traitor but it wasn't the time or place. And Vila uses the stand-up comedian to disassociate himself from certain kinds of action. And I agree with you totally about the women. They're not on her radar at all. But it didn't work because Vila is straight-up scared of her. There's no tension at all, sexual or otherwise. Joking is his displacement behaviour. Laughter is often very close to panic. |
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:13
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I love the way Servalan comes back from this apparently fragile moment to swindle the lot of them in Gold.
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:13
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I think the reference to Sarcophagus is crass - but I do like that Vila is clearly still mourning Cally. Both Avon and Vila are doing so only in different ways. The downward spiral is in train. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:14
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Alpha Grade ![]() Posts: 8709 Joined: 16.01.22 |
I love the way Servalan comes back from this apparently fragile moment to swindle the lot of them in Gold. She had to - for her own self-respect. And she pointedly ignores Tarrant and flirts with Avon. |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:15
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I love the way Servalan comes back from this apparently fragile moment to swindle the lot of them in Gold. She's only partly fragile. A good actress knows how to turn on the waterworks to her own benefit. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:15
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I love the way Servalan comes back from this apparently fragile moment to swindle the lot of them in Gold. She had to - for her own self-respect. And she pointedly ignores Tarrant and flirts with Avon. What, as if nothing happened? (har har har). "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:16
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I love the way Servalan comes back from this apparently fragile moment to swindle the lot of them in Gold. She's only partly fragile. A good actress knows how to turn on the waterworks to her own benefit. (I said 'apparently'!) "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:16
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Alpha Grade ![]() Posts: 8709 Joined: 16.01.22 |
I love the way Servalan comes back from this apparently fragile moment to swindle the lot of them in Gold. She had to - for her own self-respect. And she pointedly ignores Tarrant and flirts with Avon. What, as if nothing happened? (har har har). She has to show that nothing did. |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:18
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I love the way Servalan comes back from this apparently fragile moment to swindle the lot of them in Gold. She's only partly fragile. A good actress knows how to turn on the waterworks to her own benefit. (I said 'apparently'!) What gets me is how they're all taken in.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:18
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I love the way Servalan comes back from this apparently fragile moment to swindle the lot of them in Gold. She had to - for her own self-respect. And she pointedly ignores Tarrant and flirts with Avon. What, as if nothing happened? (har har har). She has to show that nothing did. I think She's forgotten it already. Tarrant's the one that has to pretend it didn't. Avon doesn't forget, though. "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:19
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I love the way Servalan comes back from this apparently fragile moment to swindle the lot of them in Gold. She had to - for her own self-respect. And she pointedly ignores Tarrant and flirts with Avon. What, as if nothing happened? (har har har). She has to show that nothing did. I think She's forgotten it already. Tarrant's the one that has to pretend it didn't. Avon doesn't forget, though. You mean she faked it??????
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:20
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Alpha Grade ![]() Posts: 8709 Joined: 16.01.22 |
I love the way Servalan comes back from this apparently fragile moment to swindle the lot of them in Gold. She's only partly fragile. A good actress knows how to turn on the waterworks to her own benefit. I think this is a thing I like about this episode. She knows that Tarrant is the chivalrous type, so she's playing up the damsel in distress - but to me, at least, it's clear that it's not all an act. Where the one starts and the other stops is the thing that it is so hard to determine. |
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:21
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I love the way Servalan comes back from this apparently fragile moment to swindle the lot of them in Gold. She had to - for her own self-respect. And she pointedly ignores Tarrant and flirts with Avon. What, as if nothing happened? (har har har). She has to show that nothing did. I think She's forgotten it already. Tarrant's the one that has to pretend it didn't. Avon doesn't forget, though. You mean she faked it?????? ![]() No, but it's just what she does to an available male. He's one in a very long line. She can't be expected to remember them all. And when it's over, it's over. "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:22
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I love the way Servalan comes back from this apparently fragile moment to swindle the lot of them in Gold. She's only partly fragile. A good actress knows how to turn on the waterworks to her own benefit. I think this is a thing I like about this episode. She knows that Tarrant is the chivalrous type, so she's playing up the damsel in distress - but to me, at least, it's clear that it's not all an act. Where the one starts and the other stops is the thing that it is so hard to determine. When it's expedient is the only way way to distinguish: poetry in motion. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:22
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Alpha Grade ![]() Posts: 8709 Joined: 16.01.22 |
I do love the fact that Soolin and Dayna's reaction to Avon as the 'dominant male' is to laugh. |
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:22
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Remember - it's all about power for Her. Not relationship.
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:23
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I love the way Servalan comes back from this apparently fragile moment to swindle the lot of them in Gold. She had to - for her own self-respect. And she pointedly ignores Tarrant and flirts with Avon. What, as if nothing happened? (har har har). She has to show that nothing did. I think She's forgotten it already. Tarrant's the one that has to pretend it didn't. Avon doesn't forget, though. You mean she faked it?????? ![]() No, but it's just what she does to an available male. He's one in a very long line. She can't be expected to remember them all. And when it's over, it's over. Just kidding.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:24
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Admin ![]() Posts: 15887 Joined: 14.01.22 |
I love the way Servalan comes back from this apparently fragile moment to swindle the lot of them in Gold. She had to - for her own self-respect. And she pointedly ignores Tarrant and flirts with Avon. What, as if nothing happened? (har har har). She has to show that nothing did. I think She's forgotten it already. Tarrant's the one that has to pretend it didn't. Avon doesn't forget, though. You mean she faked it?????? ![]() No, but it's just what she does to an available male. He's one in a very long line. She can't be expected to remember them all. And when it's over, it's over. Just kidding. ![]() Har har har! "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:24
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Remember - it's all about power for her. Completely. It's what's expedient to get where she wants to be. None of this middle-class morality. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:25
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I do love the fact that Soolin and Dayna's reaction to Avon as the 'dominant male' is to laugh. And haven't we just said that laughter is about fear? "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:26
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Good episode.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:27
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Alpha Grade ![]() Posts: 8709 Joined: 16.01.22 |
The other element in the equation is the Sand. It is clearly affecting both Servalan and Tarrant, and dictating their behaviour - but how much? Another imponderable. |
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:28
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Alpha Grade ![]() Posts: 8709 Joined: 16.01.22 |
I do love the fact that Soolin and Dayna's reaction to Avon as the 'dominant male' is to laugh. And haven't we just said that laughter is about fear? Not always. And not, I think, in this case. |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:28
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I do love the fact that Soolin and Dayna's reaction to Avon as the 'dominant male' is to laugh. And haven't we just said that laughter is about fear? Don't know about that one. Anyway, at least someone – finally – got their rocks off. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:29
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Best episode, for me. More meaningful about the people than all the shoot-em-ups from male writers. Fewer plot holes, less stupid magic technology that doesn't look right etc etc. Great fun.
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:30
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The other element in the equation is the Sand. It is clearly affecting both Servalan and Tarrant, and dictating their behaviour - but how much? Another imponderable. Oh yes, the Sand is the star of this episode. The people go through the motions but it's always there, apparently in the background, but not. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:30
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The other element in the equation is the Sand. It is clearly affecting both Servalan and Tarrant, and dictating their behaviour - but how much? Another imponderable. I don't think Tarrant took much encouraging. "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:31
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Alpha Grade ![]() Posts: 8709 Joined: 16.01.22 |
And again, this is so very stupid, and so very Tarrant - he wouldn't be able to live with keeping a secret of that magnitude from them, even though he must know how they would react. |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:32
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Best episode, for me. More meaningful about the people than all the shoot-em-ups from male writers. Fewer plot holes, less stupid magic technology that doesn't look right etc etc. Great fun. Agreed. A distinctly different way of looking at things AND helping to build towards the inevitable conclusion. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:32
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And again, this is so very stupid, and so very Tarrant - he wouldn't be able to live with keeping a secret of that magnitude from them, even though he must know how they would react. Yep! "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:32
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Alpha Grade ![]() Posts: 8709 Joined: 16.01.22 |
Although I think there is also a side of him that would like to make Avon jealous - and I think he has succeeded. |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:34
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And again, this is so very stupid, and so very Tarrant - he wouldn't be able to live with keeping a secret of that magnitude from them, even though he must know how they would react. He could have said it was Servalan without giving away much else. Such an booby. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:34
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Right, then. Obsidian tries to cool down while Anne and I layer up and brave the frost outside to do our Christmas shopping. Less than a month to Christmas now! Have a great week, both of you. Thanks for sharing! "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 25-11-2023 10:35
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Although I think there is also a side of him that would like to make Avon jealous - and I think he has succeeded. Men! Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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