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| Obsidian |
Posted on 10-10-2026 10:28
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Has anyone written about what happened to the Seska and Hommicks after the Scorpio left? I think we wonder this every time and I'm not aware of anything. I do wonder, as just mentioned, who these other Hommicks are that Gunn Sar has defeated. It even seems as if there might be other groups elsewhere on the planet, or does occupation on every planet at this stage consist merely of single small groups? The infrastructure suggests not, though in-fighting might have wiped them out. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 10-10-2026 10:29
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Looks just like Tracy Island. It does look just like Tracy Island. Only the palm tree doesn't swing out of the way. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 10-10-2026 10:29
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So instead of a pirate, they've picked up a mercenary? Soolin might outlast the lot of them.
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 10-10-2026 10:30
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So instead of a pirate, they've picked up a mercenary? Soolin might outlast the lot of them. So far she's exhibited admirable discretion. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 10-10-2026 10:31
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Of course, we make much of the decline of Seska numbers, but we see no young Hommmiks either - and no Hommik women except Nina. Perhaps they are not very good at capturing Seska, and their numbers are declining too? In that case, there may not be the couple of likely boys to be trained as Cato's apprentices. Definitely no-one to replace Cato and I've been asking myself who all the Hommicks are that Gunn Sar boasts about taking out. Again, not very intelligent - reducing your manpower in pointless feuds and challenges. |
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 10-10-2026 10:33
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Of course, we make much of the decline of Seska numbers, but we see no young Hommmiks either - and no Hommik women except Nina. Perhaps they are not very good at capturing Seska, and their numbers are declining too? In that case, there may not be the couple of likely boys to be trained as Cato's apprentices. Definitely no-one to replace Cato and I've been asking myself who all the Hommicks are that Gunn Sar boasts about taking out. Again, not very intelligent - reducing your manpower in pointless feuds and challenges. Another reason for doubting whether 'survival of the fittest' is really the way things move forward. It depends what you mean by survival, and what they are fit for. Killing is hardly the best survival strategy. "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 10-10-2026 10:33
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Where are you up to? I like the way we get some 'background' atmosphere of their continual arguing . You don't get that in any of the other SF Tv series. You get something of it in Firefly, but not on this scale. In Star Trek/Babylon 5/Space 1999 they are professionals, so work together on that basis. Professionals backbite and plot against each other. Yes, but perhaps less openly - in well-run workplaces. My point was that the arguing makes B7 more human, less workplace and more approachable, easier for the audience to suspend their disbelief. Absolutely! That was one thing I liked in the convention footage from the Series B blu-rays. Sally, Jacks and Jan are interviewed and Jacks, in particular, points out that it is the relationships between the characters that are driving force in the show. Yes - when I came back to it as an adult I was amazed at how consistent they were, despite the ragbag of writers who wrote for the series. And it's what makes the Tanith Lee episodes so interesting - she picks up on things that were lying dormant and beings them to the fore. |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 10-10-2026 10:34
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Of course, we make much of the decline of Seska numbers, but we see no young Hommmiks either - and no Hommik women except Nina. Perhaps they are not very good at capturing Seska, and their numbers are declining too? In that case, there may not be the couple of likely boys to be trained as Cato's apprentices. Definitely no-one to replace Cato and I've been asking myself who all the Hommicks are that Gunn Sar boasts about taking out. Again, not very intelligent - reducing your manpower in pointless feuds and challenges. You must find that rather familiar from the time periods you deal with. Studying medieval history as an undergraduate, remembering who was who did my head in. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 10-10-2026 10:35
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Of course, we make much of the decline of Seska numbers, but we see no young Hommmiks either - and no Hommik women except Nina. Perhaps they are not very good at capturing Seska, and their numbers are declining too? In that case, there may not be the couple of likely boys to be trained as Cato's apprentices. Definitely no-one to replace Cato and I've been asking myself who all the Hommicks are that Gunn Sar boasts about taking out. Again, not very intelligent - reducing your manpower in pointless feuds and challenges. Another reason for doubting whether 'survival of the fittest' is really the way things move forward. It depends what you mean by survival, and what they are fit for. Killing is hardly the best survival strategy. The 'fittest' might perhaps be those who can lead by bringing others with them, who know when to compromise, when to build consensus, when to put their foot down, rather than those who just rely on brute force. |
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 10-10-2026 10:37
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Of course, we make much of the decline of Seska numbers, but we see no young Hommmiks either - and no Hommik women except Nina. Perhaps they are not very good at capturing Seska, and their numbers are declining too? In that case, there may not be the couple of likely boys to be trained as Cato's apprentices. Definitely no-one to replace Cato and I've been asking myself who all the Hommicks are that Gunn Sar boasts about taking out. Again, not very intelligent - reducing your manpower in pointless feuds and challenges. You must find that rather familiar from the time periods you deal with. Studying medieval history as an undergraduate, remembering who was who did my head in. It doesn't need to be medieval to do that...I couldn't tell you who most of the current 'important' politicians are (and care less). "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 10-10-2026 10:38
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Where are you up to? I like the way we get some 'background' atmosphere of their continual arguing . You don't get that in any of the other SF Tv series. You get something of it in Firefly, but not on this scale. In Star Trek/Babylon 5/Space 1999 they are professionals, so work together on that basis. Professionals backbite and plot against each other. Yes, but perhaps less openly - in well-run workplaces. My point was that the arguing makes B7 more human, less workplace and more approachable, easier for the audience to suspend their disbelief. Absolutely! That was one thing I liked in the convention footage from the Series B blu-rays. Sally, Jacks and Jan are interviewed and Jacks, in particular, points out that it is the relationships between the characters that are driving force in the show. Yes - when I came back to it as an adult I was amazed at how consistent they were, despite the ragbag of writers who wrote for the series. And it's what makes the Tanith Lee episodes so interesting - she picks up on things that were lying dormant and beings them to the fore. Needless to say, Jacks liked 'Sand' the most.  The whole thing is remarkably consistent and I think that's down to Chris Boucher as script editor. Even when he plainly gave up on some episodes, there's a shape to the show. I hadn't seen the final series until someone put it on YiouTube, and I was likewise amazed at how it all fitted and made sense in terms of character development. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 10-10-2026 10:39
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Of course, we make much of the decline of Seska numbers, but we see no young Hommmiks either - and no Hommik women except Nina. Perhaps they are not very good at capturing Seska, and their numbers are declining too? In that case, there may not be the couple of likely boys to be trained as Cato's apprentices. Definitely no-one to replace Cato and I've been asking myself who all the Hommicks are that Gunn Sar boasts about taking out. Again, not very intelligent - reducing your manpower in pointless feuds and challenges. Another reason for doubting whether 'survival of the fittest' is really the way things move forward. It depends what you mean by survival, and what they are fit for. Killing is hardly the best survival strategy. The 'fittest' might perhaps be those who can lead by bringing others with them, who know when to compromise, when to build consensus, when to put their foot down, rather than those who just rely on brute force. So...women, then? Pella and co made the mistake of trying to compete with the men at their own game - forced into it by circumstances, perhaps, but still misguided. "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 10-10-2026 10:41
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Of course, we make much of the decline of Seska numbers, but we see no young Hommmiks either - and no Hommik women except Nina. Perhaps they are not very good at capturing Seska, and their numbers are declining too? In that case, there may not be the couple of likely boys to be trained as Cato's apprentices. Definitely no-one to replace Cato and I've been asking myself who all the Hommicks are that Gunn Sar boasts about taking out. Again, not very intelligent - reducing your manpower in pointless feuds and challenges. You must find that rather familiar from the time periods you deal with. Studying medieval history as an undergraduate, remembering who was who did my head in. I'm not sure that I think the Middle Ages were as different from us in that respect as is often believed. Yes, power was more personal, but a good ruler kept his nobles busy and not at each other's throats the whole time, and they knew who was boss. They knew that infighting weakened them. |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 10-10-2026 10:42
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Of course, we make much of the decline of Seska numbers, but we see no young Hommmiks either - and no Hommik women except Nina. Perhaps they are not very good at capturing Seska, and their numbers are declining too? In that case, there may not be the couple of likely boys to be trained as Cato's apprentices. Definitely no-one to replace Cato and I've been asking myself who all the Hommicks are that Gunn Sar boasts about taking out. Again, not very intelligent - reducing your manpower in pointless feuds and challenges. Another reason for doubting whether 'survival of the fittest' is really the way things move forward. It depends what you mean by survival, and what they are fit for. Killing is hardly the best survival strategy. The 'fittest' might perhaps be those who can lead by bringing others with them, who know when to compromise, when to build consensus, when to put their foot down, rather than those who just rely on brute force. People constantly misinterpret 'fit' to mean healthy and well-muscled when in fact it means 'most suitable and well-adapted'. The fittest in Big Men societies are exactly what you describe and in chiefly societies as well, where the leader earns his place by doing the best for his group. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 10-10-2026 10:43
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Of course, we make much of the decline of Seska numbers, but we see no young Hommmiks either - and no Hommik women except Nina. Perhaps they are not very good at capturing Seska, and their numbers are declining too? In that case, there may not be the couple of likely boys to be trained as Cato's apprentices. Definitely no-one to replace Cato and I've been asking myself who all the Hommicks are that Gunn Sar boasts about taking out. Again, not very intelligent - reducing your manpower in pointless feuds and challenges. Another reason for doubting whether 'survival of the fittest' is really the way things move forward. It depends what you mean by survival, and what they are fit for. Killing is hardly the best survival strategy. The 'fittest' might perhaps be those who can lead by bringing others with them, who know when to compromise, when to build consensus, when to put their foot down, rather than those who just rely on brute force. So...women, then? Pella and co made the mistake of trying to compete with the men at their own game - forced into it by circumstances, perhaps, but still misguided. Men or women - I think it's an entirely gender-neutral skill. Yes, Pella makes the mistake of playing the Hommiks at their own game and, as Avon brutally points out, she is bound to lose - but Gunn-Sar is also weakening his forces by playing that same game. |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 10-10-2026 10:44
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Of course, we make much of the decline of Seska numbers, but we see no young Hommmiks either - and no Hommik women except Nina. Perhaps they are not very good at capturing Seska, and their numbers are declining too? In that case, there may not be the couple of likely boys to be trained as Cato's apprentices. Definitely no-one to replace Cato and I've been asking myself who all the Hommicks are that Gunn Sar boasts about taking out. Again, not very intelligent - reducing your manpower in pointless feuds and challenges. You must find that rather familiar from the time periods you deal with. Studying medieval history as an undergraduate, remembering who was who did my head in. I'm not sure that I think the Middle Ages were as different from us in that respect as is often believed. Yes, power was more personal, but a good ruler kept his nobles busy and not at each other's throats the whole time, and they knew who was boss. They knew that infighting weakened them. People are people so not at all different. It's the scale that is different. Pointless feuds and challenges sound to me like university life and, of course, party politics. 
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 10-10-2026 10:44
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Anyway, I need to go and do things. Hope you sort that pesky little clasp out, Obsidian. Glad you're getting over your cold, AnneA. See you next time for...the return of the main driving force behind season 4...in feathers, no less. Black ones. Bye.
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 10-10-2026 10:48
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Of course, we make much of the decline of Seska numbers, but we see no young Hommmiks either - and no Hommik women except Nina. Perhaps they are not very good at capturing Seska, and their numbers are declining too? In that case, there may not be the couple of likely boys to be trained as Cato's apprentices. Definitely no-one to replace Cato and I've been asking myself who all the Hommicks are that Gunn Sar boasts about taking out. Again, not very intelligent - reducing your manpower in pointless feuds and challenges. Another reason for doubting whether 'survival of the fittest' is really the way things move forward. It depends what you mean by survival, and what they are fit for. Killing is hardly the best survival strategy. The 'fittest' might perhaps be those who can lead by bringing others with them, who know when to compromise, when to build consensus, when to put their foot down, rather than those who just rely on brute force. So...women, then? Pella and co made the mistake of trying to compete with the men at their own game - forced into it by circumstances, perhaps, but still misguided. Men or women - I think it's an entirely gender-neutral skill. Yes, Pella makes the mistake of playing the Hommiks at their own game and, as Avon brutally points out, she is bound to lose - but Gunn-Sar is also weakening his forces by playing that same game. And Avon makes that neat little speech at the end which is what BS was really trying to say: one side – M/F – can't do without the other, otherwise both lose. And both have lost. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 10-10-2026 10:49
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Anyway, I need to go and do things. Hope you sort that pesky little clasp out, Obsidian. Glad you're getting over your cold, AnneA. See you next time for...the return of the main driving force behind season 4...in feathers, no less. Black ones. Bye. Not plucking your best rooster are you, MsVirn? Can't wait wait for it. See you then! Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 10-10-2026 10:50
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Where are you up to? I like the way we get some 'background' atmosphere of their continual arguing . You don't get that in any of the other SF Tv series. You get something of it in Firefly, but not on this scale. In Star Trek/Babylon 5/Space 1999 they are professionals, so work together on that basis. Professionals backbite and plot against each other. Yes, but perhaps less openly - in well-run workplaces. My point was that the arguing makes B7 more human, less workplace and more approachable, easier for the audience to suspend their disbelief. Absolutely! That was one thing I liked in the convention footage from the Series B blu-rays. Sally, Jacks and Jan are interviewed and Jacks, in particular, points out that it is the relationships between the characters that are driving force in the show. Yes - when I came back to it as an adult I was amazed at how consistent they were, despite the ragbag of writers who wrote for the series. And it's what makes the Tanith Lee episodes so interesting - she picks up on things that were lying dormant and beings them to the fore. Needless to say, Jacks liked 'Sand' the most. The whole thing is remarkably consistent and I think that's down to Chris Boucher as script editor. Even when he plainly gave up on some episodes, there's a shape to the show. I hadn't seen the final series until someone put it on YiouTube, and I was likewise amazed at how it all fitted and made sense in terms of character development. I like 'Sand' too!  Yes, I think it's good script editing, isn't it? I'm fairly indifferent to effects, on the whole - quite happy to let my imagination supply any deficiencies. Is that a gendered thing? Perhaps. In any case, the location work in Blakes 7 works very well - all those industrial plants, brutalist architecture, and planets that look like bleak quarries with loads of buddleia fit very well with the miserabilist aesthetic of the series. |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 10-10-2026 10:52
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See you AnneA. I hope you feel much better soon. Have a good week. See you next time.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 10-10-2026 10:52
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I think there is an irony in the fact that it looks as though it might be Nina's vision that saves the Hommiks. OK, I need to get on with my day too. See you both next week I hope. |
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