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 Rewatch Downunder: C9 Sarcophagus - Saturday 27th August
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:16
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The Avon-Alien interchange is excellent.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:16
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'Your helplessness brings out my sadistic streak'. Nicely observed, I think - although it's not just helplessness, IMO, it's that Vila seems so content to be helpless, and even to stress how feeble he is. There's clearly an evolutionary advantage to being like that, like baby humans. Yes, and in Vila's case it is conscious, I think. He's too small to be a bully, so he survives by being harmless, amusing and useful. |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:19
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'Your helplessness brings out my sadistic streak'. Nicely observed, I think - although it's not just helplessness, IMO, it's that Vila seems so content to be helpless, and even to stress how feeble he is. Helplessness is OK in baby humans, in someone who's supposed to be adult, it's irritating. (Or does that show my sadistic streak?) NO, just realistic. There are lots of adult humans who trade on helplessness to get them through life, just not as overtly as Vila does, or at least, is seen to do because we're focussing on him. Women who rely on capturing sugar daddies do it and, let me tell you, they do still exist. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:20
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'Your helplessness brings out my sadistic streak'. Nicely observed, I think - although it's not just helplessness, IMO, it's that Vila seems so content to be helpless, and even to stress how feeble he is. There's clearly an evolutionary advantage to being like that, like baby humans. Yes, and in Vila's case it is conscious, I think. He's too small to be a bully, so he survives by being harmless, amusing and useful. The amusing part is critical. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:21
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This episode is nicely directed too. Another woman.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:22
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'Your helplessness brings out my sadistic streak'. Nicely observed, I think - although it's not just helplessness, IMO, it's that Vila seems so content to be helpless, and even to stress how feeble he is. Helplessness is OK in baby humans, in someone who's supposed to be adult, it's irritating. (Or does that show my sadistic streak?) Well, I think that all the rest of the Liberator's crew find that. |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:22
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I keep looking at the thing around Cally's neck. It looks like a medical instrument – or sugar tongs.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:22
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The Avon-Alien interchange is excellent. A very nice reading of their characters and all the issues. |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:23
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'Your helplessness brings out my sadistic streak'. Nicely observed, I think - although it's not just helplessness, IMO, it's that Vila seems so content to be helpless, and even to stress how feeble he is. Helplessness is OK in baby humans, in someone who's supposed to be adult, it's irritating. (Or does that show my sadistic streak?) Well, I think that all the rest of the Liberator's crew find that. 
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:23
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'Your helplessness brings out my sadistic streak'. Nicely observed, I think - although it's not just helplessness, IMO, it's that Vila seems so content to be helpless, and even to stress how feeble he is. There's clearly an evolutionary advantage to being like that, like baby humans. Yes, and in Vila's case it is conscious, I think. He's too small to be a bully, so he survives by being harmless, amusing and useful. The amusing part is critical. Yep. And Vila's 'personality' is just as manipulative as anyone else's, playing on their sympathies. He's more than capable of looking after himself in whatever way he needs to. "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:24
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God, I had EXACTLY Cally's hairstyle at that time.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:25
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'Your helplessness brings out my sadistic streak'. Nicely observed, I think - although it's not just helplessness, IMO, it's that Vila seems so content to be helpless, and even to stress how feeble he is. There's clearly an evolutionary advantage to being like that, like baby humans. Yes, and in Vila's case it is conscious, I think. He's too small to be a bully, so he survives by being harmless, amusing and useful. The amusing part is critical. Yep. And Vila's 'personality' is just as manipulative as anyone else's, playing on their sympathies. He's more than capable of looking after himself in whatever way he needs to. That's why I like the play-off between him and Avon because they are both survivors, they just use different methods. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:26
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God, I had EXACTLY Cally's hairstyle at that time. Which one? Cally-alien or Cally-Cally? |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:26
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Saved again.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:26
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God, I had EXACTLY Cally's hairstyle at that time. Which one? Cally-alien or Cally-Cally? Cally-Cally. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| Tyce |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:26
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Why should Dayna be used to revolting thoughts? |
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:26
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'Your helplessness brings out my sadistic streak'. Nicely observed, I think - although it's not just helplessness, IMO, it's that Vila seems so content to be helpless, and even to stress how feeble he is. There's clearly an evolutionary advantage to being like that, like baby humans. Yes, and in Vila's case it is conscious, I think. He's too small to be a bully, so he survives by being harmless, amusing and useful. The amusing part is critical. Yep. And Vila's 'personality' is just as manipulative as anyone else's, playing on their sympathies. He's more than capable of looking after himself in whatever way he needs to. That's why I like the play-off between him and Avon because they are both survivors, they just use different methods. And they both recognise that. |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:27
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Why should Dayna be used to revolting thoughts? I think she's really a bad, bad girl. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:29
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Tanith Lee uses the Richard III gambit in both her stories. One person threatens to kill another, and the other says 'go on then', knowing that it won't happen. |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:31
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Tanith Lee uses the Richard III gambit in both her stories. One person threatens to kill another, and the other says 'go on then', knowing that it won't happen. Fair observation. And it works well. I prefer this version though. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| Tyce |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:31
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Thanks for the company guys. See you next week |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:32
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Thanks for the company guys. See you next week 'Bye Tyce. Have a good week, won't you? Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:33
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How does Avon destroy the ring, though? It should take more than just tossing it away to get rid of it. |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:33
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I was just thinking of Pilot53. I hope his big event is going well.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:34
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Thanks for the company guys. See you next week Have a good week! |
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:34
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I think that justifies what I said about her earlier! "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:36
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How does Avon destroy the ring, though? It should take more than just tossing it away to get rid of it. Good question. As with all these things, we assume that everything is resolved after the episode finishes – as in, when do they drag away the bodies. One hopes that he stomped on it with his nice Anello and Davide boots. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:36
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Why should Dayna be used to revolting thoughts? Vila having a little dig back at her, I think. I don't really see why ORAC being back on his feet IS a revolting thought, though. |
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| M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:37
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OK, it's over ( for another year). But it's Ultraworld next. And I bet even that is somoeone's favourite episode. Oh, well. Thanks for a lovely rewatch, all. See you next time.
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:38
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How does Avon destroy the ring, though? It should take more than just tossing it away to get rid of it. Good question. As with all these things, we assume that everything is resolved after the episode finishes – as in, when do they drag away the bodies. One hopes that he stomped on it with his nice Anello and Davide boots. Good to know that the company survives so many centuries and changes of government! But, as to the ring, I suppose we have to assume that if it is no longer on Cally, it is useless, and that Cally now has no desire to put it on again. |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:38
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I think that justifies what I said about her earlier! Never doubted it for one minute. She goes from fairly innocent-looking girly thing to trouble on wheels in no time. I expect she was a wild child – had to be, given all the weapons she created. Being on Libby enabled that side of her to come to the fore. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:39
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OK, it's over ( for another year). But it's Ultraworld next. And I bet even that is somoeone's favourite episode. Oh, well. Thanks for a lovely rewatch, all. See you next time. It's not a favourite - but it's different, and interesting. I find the giant brain in Ultraworld hard to take seriously. Not one of the better episodes. |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:40
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OK, it's over ( for another year). But it's Ultraworld next. And I bet even that is somoeone's favourite episode. Oh, well. Thanks for a lovely rewatch, all. See you next time. Not mine. We need a blue-faced emoji too.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:40
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Nice to see you all, anyway! Thanks for an entertaining morning. |
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| Obsidian |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:42
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OK, it's over ( for another year). But it's Ultraworld next. And I bet even that is somoeone's favourite episode. Oh, well. Thanks for a lovely rewatch, all. See you next time. It's not a favourite - but it's different, and interesting. I find the giant brain in Ultraworld hard to take seriously. Not one of the better episodes. I was thinking "And whom do we have to blame for it?" Trevor Hoyle. Hmm. I'm sure we'll find something in it though. See you next time Anne. Good luck with cramming. Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
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| AnneArthur |
Posted on 27-08-2022 10:45
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OK, it's over ( for another year). But it's Ultraworld next. And I bet even that is somoeone's favourite episode. Oh, well. Thanks for a lovely rewatch, all. See you next time. It's not a favourite - but it's different, and interesting. I find the giant brain in Ultraworld hard to take seriously. Not one of the better episodes. I was thinking "And whom do we have to blame for it?" Trevor Hoyle. Hmm. I'm sure we'll find something in it though. See you next time Anne. Good luck with cramming. Thank you! Hope you are feeling better by next week. |
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| Travisina |
Posted on 27-08-2022 17:53
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Hi All, I've just caught up with the thread - interesting discussions as ever, and sorry to have missed it. Not least because while taking mother-in-law to the bank and dentist, I managed to get a parking ticket  Sigh. No good deed goes unpunished. I love Sarcophagus. I love its weirdness, the way it's written and directed, the superb character interactions. Agree that it's a haunted house story (or rather, haunted ship). Those of you who've not yet read any of Tanith's books, allow me to recommend the following: 1. Kill The Dead. Although it's been denied, the characters are based on Avon and Vila, or rather, Paul and Michael. Even the names of the characters: 'Parl Dro' (which is what Paul's signature looked like), and 'Myel'. And she dedicated it to 'Valentine'. Not based on Avon? Yeah, right. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8...l_the_Dead 2. The Silver Metal Lover. Heartbreaking beautiful love story; I re-read it every few years when I'm in the mood for a really good wallow. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5...etal_Lover 3. When the Lights Go Out. Annoyingly, I loaned this to a producer I was working with, thinking he might like to acquire and develop it (we were working on Sugar Rush at the time). And I never got it back. It's dark and spooky, very atmospheric. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...hts_Go_Out There is no point being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes
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