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Reading Pratchett: Feet of Clay - 1st April 2021
Travisina
stormypetrel wrote:

Travisina wrote:

I loved the gradual outing of Cheery, sorry, Cheri Littlebottom as a female, and her friendship with Angua.
Decades before all the Trans stuff going on now, Pratchett wrote about the process with such warmth, sympathy and gentle humour.

And not in such a way that you notice. He makes a point without appearing to do so. Clever.

Superb writing.
My views are my own.

VILA: I'm entitled to my opinion.
AVON: It is your assumption that we are entitled to it as well that is irritating.


Twitter: @TravisinaB7
 
M1795537 OC Virn
Doesn't Wee Mad Arthur get outed as one of - or closely related to - the Wee Free Men in some later book? He's a great prototype for the species, and well worth using again/developing further, as in the Tiffany books.
You're not sulking, I hope?
 
Travisina
stormypetrel wrote:

Travisina wrote:

I love the way the City Watch has evolved, from Dixon of Dock Green to The Bill and now Hill Street Blues.

I’ve never seen Hill Street Blues.

Think 'The Bill', but set in New York.
My views are my own.

VILA: I'm entitled to my opinion.
AVON: It is your assumption that we are entitled to it as well that is irritating.


Twitter: @TravisinaB7
 
M1795537 OC Virn
Travisina wrote:

And the Golems! Inspired to have them talk (or rather, write) in a classical Hebrew font.
Some of their names were Yiddish ('Shmata' means rag, but is also used to mean a posh frock: "I love your evening dress, Mrs Cohen." "What, this old shmata? I've had it for years" )


The graffiti argument is brilliant!
You're not sulking, I hope?
 
Travisina
M1795537 OC Virn wrote:

Doesn't Wee Mad Arthur get outed as one of - or closely related to - the Wee Free Men in some later book? He's a great prototype for the species, and well worth using again/developing further, as in the Tiffany books.

I don't remember his being outed, but I DEFINITELY thought he was one of the Wee Free, or a close relation.
My views are my own.

VILA: I'm entitled to my opinion.
AVON: It is your assumption that we are entitled to it as well that is irritating.


Twitter: @TravisinaB7
 
stormypetrel
I like the Golems. I admit there’s something vaguely appealing about having something written put in my head and just following that, not having to think about anything else, though...
 
Travisina
stormypetrel wrote:

I like the Golems. I admit there’s something vaguely appealing about having something written put in my head and just following that, not having to think about anything else, though...

And with his subtle brilliance, Pratchett uses them to convey quite a lot of the Jewish experience - having to take time off for Holy Days (starting at sundown), being despised for no good reason...
My views are my own.

VILA: I'm entitled to my opinion.
AVON: It is your assumption that we are entitled to it as well that is irritating.


Twitter: @TravisinaB7
 
M1795537 OC Virn
Maybe that sort of creature is a necessary part of an evolving society: Discworld has Golems, B7 has its mutoids. We have Civil Servants....
You're not sulking, I hope?
 
stormypetrel
M1795537 OC Virn wrote:

Maybe that sort of creature is a necessary part of an evolving society: Discworld has Golems, B7 has its mutoids. We have Civil Servants....

Ah, is that why I’m not very good at it? Because I still think?
 
M1795537 OC Virn
Travisina wrote:

stormypetrel wrote:

I like the Golems. I admit there’s something vaguely appealing about having something written put in my head and just following that, not having to think about anything else, though...

And with his subtle brilliance, Pratchett uses them to convey quite a lot of the Jewish experience - having to take time off for Holy Days (starting at sundown), being despised for no good reason...


Thanks for pointing that out. Of course !
You're not sulking, I hope?
 
Travisina
Back to the murder mystery - I loved Pratchett's sly dig about Sherlock Holmes and Clues.
My views are my own.

VILA: I'm entitled to my opinion.
AVON: It is your assumption that we are entitled to it as well that is irritating.


Twitter: @TravisinaB7
 
stormypetrel
Travisina, you have reminded me, talking about Jewish things. Do the big furry hats that a lot of the Orthodox people wear have a proper name? I walked through Stamford Hill on a Saturday a while ago. They’re very eye-catching!
 
Travisina
M1795537 OC Virn wrote:

Maybe that sort of creature is a necessary part of an evolving society: Discworld has Golems, B7 has its mutoids. We have Civil Servants....

Grin
My views are my own.

VILA: I'm entitled to my opinion.
AVON: It is your assumption that we are entitled to it as well that is irritating.


Twitter: @TravisinaB7
 
stormypetrel
Travisina wrote:

Back to the murder mystery - I loved Pratchett's sly dig about Sherlock Holmes and Clues.

I liked the murder mystery element, generally. Nothing like a good murder...
 
Travisina
stormypetrel wrote:

Travisina, you have reminded me, talking about Jewish things. Do the big furry hats that a lot of the Orthodox people wear have a proper name? I walked through Stamford Hill on a Saturday a while ago. They’re very eye-catching!

Yes indeed, it's called a Shtreimel. Different communities have different styles - some taller, some more saucer-shaped.
My views are my own.

VILA: I'm entitled to my opinion.
AVON: It is your assumption that we are entitled to it as well that is irritating.


Twitter: @TravisinaB7
 
M1795537 OC Virn
Travisina wrote:

Back to the murder mystery - I loved Pratchett's sly dig about Sherlock Holmes and Clues.


I wouldn't have said 'sly'. Pretty bloomin' obvious he's taking a swipe at it! But yes, neatly done. Presumably Pratchett did his research and talked to real policemen/detectives about how the job works. I.E. mostly waiting for someone to give them the information. Or confessing, Like Dun it Duncan.
You're not sulking, I hope?
 
Travisina
stormypetrel wrote:

Travisina wrote:

Back to the murder mystery - I loved Pratchett's sly dig about Sherlock Holmes and Clues.

I liked the murder mystery element, generally. Nothing like a good murder...

It really had everything, this book. Murder mystery, suspense, action, slapstick humour (Colon and the cows!), romance, friendship.
My views are my own.

VILA: I'm entitled to my opinion.
AVON: It is your assumption that we are entitled to it as well that is irritating.


Twitter: @TravisinaB7
 
stormypetrel
Travisina wrote:

stormypetrel wrote:

Travisina, you have reminded me, talking about Jewish things. Do the big furry hats that a lot of the Orthodox people wear have a proper name? I walked through Stamford Hill on a Saturday a while ago. They’re very eye-catching!

Yes indeed, it's called a Shtreimel. Different communities have different styles - some taller, some more saucer-shaped.

I thought they must do. Thank you. I shall add that to my collection of obscure information, so I can sound clever if anyone ever asks me...
 
stormypetrel
Travisina wrote:

stormypetrel wrote:

Travisina wrote:

Back to the murder mystery - I loved Pratchett's sly dig about Sherlock Holmes and Clues.

I liked the murder mystery element, generally. Nothing like a good murder...

It really had everything, this book. Murder mystery, suspense, action, slapstick humour (Colon and the cows!), romance, friendship.

Yes, I enjoyed this one. Although the truth of some of the observations still made me want to take my frying pan to the world at times!
 
M1795537 OC Virn
Why did the Golems want a king anyway?
Idea: Was that another Jewish thing, like the Israelites telling Samuel they wanted King Saul so they'd be' like the other nations'?
You're not sulking, I hope?
 
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