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Rewatch Downunder: C7 Children of Auron - Saturday 13th August
Travisina

AnneArthur wrote:

Is this the first episode where Servalan wears black?

Yes, that's right. A theory was that she switched from white to black in mourning for her babies, but if that was the case she'd still be in white for this ep.
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Travisina

Pilot53 wrote:

Well think I'll be off. Grab a hot drink then bed. Great seeing you all as always.
Cheers one & all. See you next week.

Goodnight, Pilot! Nice to see you today.
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Obsidian

Travisina wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

Travisina wrote:

Tyce wrote:

Sorry people, I’m not well this week so I need to give the rewatch a miss.

Sorry, to hear that Tyce. Get well soon!

I'm still under the weather with Covid, but on the plus side it means I have to stay at home instead of running around doing errands for the in-law, so I can join the rewatch.


So you have the plague Travisina? Sorry to hear that. I wonder how many from the con came down with it after. I hope it hasn't been too bad. My brother got it from going to a Bastille Day bash.Angry

It's a month since Forever Avon, and I think I got it more recently. In the past fortnight, I've been to the hairdresser, physiotherapist, hospital (with father in law), two restaurants, regular trips to supermarkets, local shops... could have come from any of those. I still wear a mask, but almost nobody else does Angry


That was the big thing I noticed in the UK – hardly anyone wearing masks, whereas it's still reasonably common here in Canberra. We always wear them in shopping centres.
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AnneArthur

Travisina wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Is this the first episode where Servalan wears black?

Yes, that's right. A theory was that she switched from white to black in mourning for her babies, but if that was the case she'd still be in white for this ep.


That's what I was thinking. I remember that theory, but this blows it out the window.
 
M1795537OCVirn

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Fascinating - the episode is about a plague and most of what we're talking about are our own illnesses.

"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
AnneArthur

Obsidian wrote:

Travisina wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

Travisina wrote:

Tyce wrote:

Sorry people, I’m not well this week so I need to give the rewatch a miss.

Sorry, to hear that Tyce. Get well soon!

I'm still under the weather with Covid, but on the plus side it means I have to stay at home instead of running around doing errands for the in-law, so I can join the rewatch.


So you have the plague Travisina? Sorry to hear that. I wonder how many from the con came down with it after. I hope it hasn't been too bad. My brother got it from going to a Bastille Day bash.Angry

It's a month since Forever Avon, and I think I got it more recently. In the past fortnight, I've been to the hairdresser, physiotherapist, hospital (with father in law), two restaurants, regular trips to supermarkets, local shops... could have come from any of those. I still wear a mask, but almost nobody else does Angry


That was the big thing I noticed in the UK – hardly anyone wearing masks, whereas it's still reasonably common here in Canberra. We always wear them in shopping centres.


The UK goverment is trying to pretend that it doesn't exist any more - gets in the way of the really important things, like the threat of unisex toilets. Sad
 
Obsidian

Pilot53 wrote:

Well think I'll be off. Grab a hot drink then bed. Great seeing you all as always.
Cheers one & all. See you next week.


See you Pilot. The night is but young here in Canberra, but I'm a night owl. Go well.
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Travisina

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Fascinating - the episode is about a plague and most of what we're talking about are our own illnesses.

The irony was not lost on me!
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Obsidian

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Fascinating - the episode is about a plague and most of what we're talking about are our own illnesses.


Ok then, for a change let me say that I'm enjoying Avon's and Cally's 'V' outfits.

And I do so love Gingka.
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AnneArthur
Avon is right, but he is being very unattractively cold-blooded in this episode. A little sympathy for Cally would not go amiss, I feel.
 
Travisina

AnneArthur wrote:


The UK goverment is trying to pretend that it doesn't exist any more

I checked the NHS website to see what the current regulations are for isolating etc. And there are none, apart from a vague 'avoid vulnerable people for ten days, and work from home if possible'. In other words, people are allowed to go out and about at will, regardless of level of contagion. Madness!
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Obsidian

AnneArthur wrote:

Obsidian wrote:


That was the big thing I noticed in the UK – hardly anyone wearing masks, whereas it's still reasonably common here in Canberra. We always wear them in shopping centres.


The UK goverment is trying to pretend that it doesn't exist any more - gets in the way of the really important things, like the threat of unisex toilets. Sad


Gets in the way of economic growth, except that people being ill has very obviously got in the way of economic growth. Logic bypass.
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Travisina

Obsidian wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Fascinating - the episode is about a plague and most of what we're talking about are our own illnesses.


Ok then, for a change let me say that I'm enjoying Avon's and Cally's 'V' outfits.

And I do so love Gingka.

I like the costumes in this as well. And the hierarchical struggle between Ginka and wossisname makes a good subplot.
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Travisina

AnneArthur wrote:

Avon is right, but he is being very unattractively cold-blooded in this episode. A little sympathy for Cally would not go amiss, I feel.

Revenge for her earlier 'fondness for him' comment?
There is no point being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes
 
AnneArthur

Obsidian wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Fascinating - the episode is about a plague and most of what we're talking about are our own illnesses.


Ok then, for a change let me say that I'm enjoying Avon's and Cally's 'V' outfits.

And I do so love Gingka.


Gingka is fascinating. One of the very few ethnic minority officers we see in the Federation, and he is complaining about being passed over. I have a theory that the pre-Federation regime practiced ethnic cleansing (explaining the number of planets with black leaders in Warlord - they were all banished from Earth). Since the Federation took over, a few have come back (Hal Mellanby, for example), but the Federation is still very white, and anyone else stands out a mile.
 
AnneArthur

Travisina wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Avon is right, but he is being very unattractively cold-blooded in this episode. A little sympathy for Cally would not go amiss, I feel.

Revenge for her earlier 'fondness for him' comment?


Both feel like part of an ongoing quarrel that we are only seeing part of.
 
Obsidian
Going back to the 'illnesses' discussion, I was watching this in bed the other day when I was feeling miserable and I found the masks rather interesting. They seem to be layers of gauze with a rubber thing from the top of a floor mop stuck on the front.
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M1795537OCVirn
Probably a lot of in-fighting among Feds - survival of the fittest. Servalan probably encourages it, to improve her armies.
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
Travisina

AnneArthur wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Fascinating - the episode is about a plague and most of what we're talking about are our own illnesses.


Ok then, for a change let me say that I'm enjoying Avon's and Cally's 'V' outfits.

And I do so love Gingka.


Gingka is fascinating. One of the very few ethnic minority officers we see in the Federation, and he is complaining about being passed over. I have a theory that the pre-Federation regime practiced ethnic cleansing (explaining the number of planets with black leaders in Warlord - they were all banished from Earth). Since the Federation took over, a few have come back (Hal Mellanby, for example), but the Federation is still very white, and anyone else stands out a mile.

I like that theory. And way to rationalise the mostly-white BBC casting lists!
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AnneArthur

Obsidian wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Obsidian wrote:


That was the big thing I noticed in the UK – hardly anyone wearing masks, whereas it's still reasonably common here in Canberra. We always wear them in shopping centres.


The UK goverment is trying to pretend that it doesn't exist any more - gets in the way of the really important things, like the threat of unisex toilets. Sad


Gets in the way of economic growth, except that people being ill has very obviously got in the way of economic growth. Logic bypass.


Absolutely. See also 'if only we had not locked down, everything would have continued as normal', forgetting all the people voting with their feet and not going to shops/cinemas/pubs etc.
 
Travisina

AnneArthur wrote:

Travisina wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Avon is right, but he is being very unattractively cold-blooded in this episode. A little sympathy for Cally would not go amiss, I feel.

Revenge for her earlier 'fondness for him' comment?


Both feel like part of an ongoing quarrel that we are only seeing part of.

Did it start in 'The Keeper'? They had quite a marital over blasting Travis' ship.
There is no point being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes
 
Obsidian

AnneArthur wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Fascinating - the episode is about a plague and most of what we're talking about are our own illnesses.


Ok then, for a change let me say that I'm enjoying Avon's and Cally's 'V' outfits.

And I do so love Gingka.


Gingka is fascinating. One of the very few ethnic minority officers we see in the Federation, and he is complaining about being passed over. I have a theory that the pre-Federation regime practiced ethnic cleansing (explaining the number of planets with black leaders in Warlord - they were all banished from Earth). Since the Federation took over, a few have come back (Hal Mellanby, for example), but the Federation is still very white, and anyone else stands out a mile.


That's an interesting theory. Somewhere back there, not sure if S1 or 2, there is at least one black officer wandering around Space Command.

But Gingka would be passed over anyway because he is such a little s**t. Smile
Edited by Obsidian on 13-08-2022 10:11
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AnneArthur

Obsidian wrote:

Going back to the 'illnesses' discussion, I was watching this in bed the other day when I was feeling miserable and I found the masks rather interesting. They seem to be layers of gauze with a rubber thing from the top of a floor mop stuck on the front.


They look more uncomfortable than our ones!
 
M1795537OCVirn

Obsidian wrote:

Going back to the 'illnesses' discussion, I was watching this in bed the other day when I was feeling miserable and I found the masks rather interesting. They seem to be layers of gauze with a rubber thing from the top of a floor mop stuck on the front.


When I first tried to wear a mask I completely freaked out - in public. Embarrasing isn't the word. I just about managed one of those useless face shields, like Franton's. Mostly I've just stayed home!
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
AnneArthur

Obsidian wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Fascinating - the episode is about a plague and most of what we're talking about are our own illnesses.


Ok then, for a change let me say that I'm enjoying Avon's and Cally's 'V' outfits.

And I do so love Gingka.


Gingka is fascinating. One of the very few ethnic minority officers we see in the Federation, and he is complaining about being passed over. I have a theory that the pre-Federation regime practiced ethnic cleansing (explaining the number of planets with black leaders in Warlord - they were all banished from Earth). Since the Federation took over, a few have come back (Hal Mellanby, for example), but the Federation is still very white, and anyone else stands out a mile.


That's an interesting theory. Somewhere back there, not sure if S1 or 2, there is at least one black officer wandering around Space Command.


It allows for a few - like Mellanby. But not many.
 
AnneArthur

Obsidian wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Fascinating - the episode is about a plague and most of what we're talking about are our own illnesses.


Ok then, for a change let me say that I'm enjoying Avon's and Cally's 'V' outfits.

And I do so love Gingka.


Gingka is fascinating. One of the very few ethnic minority officers we see in the Federation, and he is complaining about being passed over. I have a theory that the pre-Federation regime practiced ethnic cleansing (explaining the number of planets with black leaders in Warlord - they were all banished from Earth). Since the Federation took over, a few have come back (Hal Mellanby, for example), but the Federation is still very white, and anyone else stands out a mile.


That's an interesting theory. Somewhere back there, not sure if S1 or 2, there is at least one black officer wandering around Space Command.

But Gingka would be passed over anyway because he is such a little s**t. Smile


Well quite!
 
Obsidian

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

Going back to the 'illnesses' discussion, I was watching this in bed the other day when I was feeling miserable and I found the masks rather interesting. They seem to be layers of gauze with a rubber thing from the top of a floor mop stuck on the front.


When I first tried to wear a mask I completely freaked out - in public. Embarrasing isn't the word. I just about managed one of those useless face shields, like Franton's. Mostly I've just stayed home!


Working from home helps. I just hate the fact that they've given me shocking dermatitis. Apparently it's quite common and a growing problem. Far more embarrassing going out with a face covered in red rash.
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Travisina

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

Going back to the 'illnesses' discussion, I was watching this in bed the other day when I was feeling miserable and I found the masks rather interesting. They seem to be layers of gauze with a rubber thing from the top of a floor mop stuck on the front.


When I first tried to wear a mask I completely freaked out - in public. Embarrasing isn't the word. I just about managed one of those useless face shields, like Franton's. Mostly I've just stayed home!

Oh dear, sorry to hear that. I'm fine with masks. Before these were widely available (or indeed, available at all), I used to improvise with scarves etc. I prefer cloth ones, because the paper ones are so wasteful and bad for the environment. As for their efficiency - ah, who knows.
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M1795537OCVirn
The racial thing is probably unintentional (although an interesting sideline worth exploring further) and merely reflects the UK population/pool of available actors in the 70's.
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
Obsidian
The Federation blows up that university building some time before it gets bulldozed for real.
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AnneArthur

Travisina wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Travisina wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Avon is right, but he is being very unattractively cold-blooded in this episode. A little sympathy for Cally would not go amiss, I feel.

Revenge for her earlier 'fondness for him' comment?


Both feel like part of an ongoing quarrel that we are only seeing part of.

Did it start in 'The Keeper'? They had quite a marital over blasting Travis' ship.


Perhaps after 'Countdown'? Cally might have had hopes of a relationship, that were dashed by his obviously still having a thing for Anna. That might be behind her anger at his revenge project here.
 
Travisina

Obsidian wrote:

The Federation blows up that university building some time before it gets bulldozed for real.

At least we had a location visit years ago, while it was still intact! In fact, it was still Leeds Polytechnic at the time, before it was renamed 'University of...'
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AnneArthur

Obsidian wrote:

The Federation blows up that university building some time before it gets bulldozed for real.


I was just about to say that if this is the UEA, I never saw that building when I was there. But that explains it.

But where is the place they are all climbing over - that looks more like a hydroelectric plant or something?
 
AnneArthur

Travisina wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

The Federation blows up that university building some time before it gets bulldozed for real.

At least we had a location visit years ago, while it was still intact! In fact, it was still Leeds Polytechnic at the time, before it was renamed 'University of...'


Ah, not UEA? Leeds Beckett?
 
M1795537OCVirn
Not looking forward to the end of this ep - the WORST 'humorous' last line of all.
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
Travisina

AnneArthur wrote:

Travisina wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Travisina wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Avon is right, but he is being very unattractively cold-blooded in this episode. A little sympathy for Cally would not go amiss, I feel.

Revenge for her earlier 'fondness for him' comment?


Both feel like part of an ongoing quarrel that we are only seeing part of.

Did it start in 'The Keeper'? They had quite a marital over blasting Travis' ship.


Perhaps after 'Countdown'? Cally might have had hopes of a relationship, that were dashed by his obviously still having a thing for Anna. That might be behind her anger at his revenge project here.

This may be the first time she's heard of Anna, though. I don't think Avon told anybody about his conversation with Del Grant - certainly not Blake, and very doubtful if he'd have shared with anyone else.
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Obsidian

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

The racial thing is probably unintentional (although an interesting sideline worth exploring further) and merely reflects the UK population/pool of available actors in the 70's.


Absolutely. Plenty of 'differently-coloured' actors had appeared on the TV and in film in the UK before the late '70s. Maybe it was the casting director's choice. Ric Young had already appeared in several things.
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Travisina

AnneArthur wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

The Federation blows up that university building some time before it gets bulldozed for real.


I was just about to say that if this is the UEA, I never saw that building when I was there. But that explains it.

But where is the place they are all climbing over - that looks more like a hydroelectric plant or something?

Yes, that's a different location in Yorkshire, by a reservoir. Can't remember what it's called.
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AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

The racial thing is probably unintentional (although an interesting sideline worth exploring further) and merely reflects the UK population/pool of available actors in the 70's.


Oh yes, this was very much a headcanon explanation of something that is easily explained in real life by casting practices - and the increasing employment of ethnic minority actors over the period covered by the series.
 
Obsidian

AnneArthur wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

The Federation blows up that university building some time before it gets bulldozed for real.


I was just about to say that if this is the UEA, I never saw that building when I was there. But that explains it.

But where is the place they are all climbing over - that looks more like a hydroelectric plant or something?


Yes, a dam. Don't remember which one. Travisina?
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