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Survivors rewatch - 1.1 The Fourth Horseman
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Hugbot |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:31
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God I'm depressed.... Just wait for Law and Order... |
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Nixxie |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:31
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I think 1 in 10,000 is mentioned in one of the episodes. And a huge ammount of those wouldn't survive past a few weeks, of course. too young or too old etc. Gosh this is cheery!!! |
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trevor travis |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:32
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Jenny realising money is worthless! |
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Lorna |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:32
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I dont think I would want to be a survivor |
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Nixxie |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:33
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How is there still running water? |
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trevor travis |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:33
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God I'm depressed.... Just wait for Law and Order... No spoilers ![]() |
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Hugbot |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:33
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A Radio Ham to fill in the gaps... and how the whole government has died. Yes that is good! You mean that the whole government has died? ![]() |
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OneSparePart |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:33
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Oh nice burn down the house...the village...the woods...
Silflay hraka, u embleer rah!
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Hugbot |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:34
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Oh, a shower scene... are we in Xenon base after all? |
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trevor travis |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:34
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Abby burning her old life to the ground... |
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Nixxie |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:34
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I think i would want to leave a message in pebbles on the lawn or something for the son in case he went back. |
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OneSparePart |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:34
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God I'm depressed.... Just wait for Law and Order... ![]() ![]() ![]() Silflay hraka, u embleer rah!
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trevor travis |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:35
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That edges out The Way Back as the best opening episode to anything! |
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Nixxie |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:35
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well gosh that was a lovely wholesome watch *LOL* ...does it get better next week? ; ) |
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trevor travis |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:35
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My ratings (apologies if anyone disagrees): The Fourth Horseman 10 |
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OneSparePart |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:36
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I dont think I would want to be a survivor Me neither for sooo many reasons Silflay hraka, u embleer rah!
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Lorna |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:36
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Well goodnight folks. I am playing bridge next Wednesday, which will be much more cheery! |
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Paula |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:36
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Actually, seeing this again, it makes me less worried about covid....
Resist the Host
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trevor travis |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:36
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Oh, a shower scene... are we in Xenon base after all? ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Nixxie |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:36
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That edges out The Way Back as the best opening episode to anything! yes - it really was an amazing episode. I expect it was the talk of all the workplaces that week. |
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OneSparePart |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:37
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Is there a hangman's noose emoji....![]() Silflay hraka, u embleer rah!
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Paula |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:37
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Well, that was a great slap in the face for a starting episode. Yes, I'd give it a '10' too. Night all. Sweet dreams. Resist the Host
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Hugbot |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:38
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There's a distant star... Thanks for the company (very much appreciated for this rewatch...)! Good night and nice dreams of pandemics... errr... ![]() |
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trevor travis |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:38
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Actually, seeing this again, it makes me less worried about covid.... Covid is nowhere as bad as the imagination of Terry Nation ![]() |
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Nixxie |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:38
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thanks for the company - not sure I'd want to watch that alone!! |
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OneSparePart |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:38
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Actually, seeing this again, it makes me less worried about covid.... Yes but don't tempt fate! Silflay hraka, u embleer rah!
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OneSparePart |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:39
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Good night. To sleep perchance to dream....
Silflay hraka, u embleer rah!
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trevor travis |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:40
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Just for OSP... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17oca...7ocaZb-bGg |
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OneSparePart |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:46
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Aaaah! That's better! Woohoooooo! ![]() Silflay hraka, u embleer rah!
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trevor travis |
Posted on 19-01-2022 20:52
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My review from a previous rewatch: (1.1) “The Fourth Horseman” by Terry Nation Directed by Pennant Roberts “Oh God, please don’t let me be the only one”. EXTRAORDINARY!!! The first episode of "Survivors" is simply amazing. It tells the spread of the Death and the vast majority of the population being wiped out. The storytelling here is so clever. We see few very deaths (Jenny's friend is the first dead body we see). There is the odd snatch of a radio broadcast, or a tannoy announcement, as we gradually find out how serious things are. At the centre of the episode is Carolyn Seymour's Abby Grant, upper-class housewife, whose comfortable life in the plush commuter belt is brought crashing down to Earth. Abby is terribly posh – she even has servants. And she’s married to Peter Bowles. Abby catches the Death herself, but almost uniquely recovers from it. This episode is neatly split in two, as Abby lies on her bed for four days, as she fights off the Death. Before that, we see plenty of life. Yes, lots of people not very well, but people thinking: "blimey, this will is going to leave a hell of a clean-up operation in a week.” There's quite an adult scene where three looters threaten to rape Jenny (hope they died in great pain!). We then see reality starting to set in, especially the conversation between Peter Bowles and the local Doctor (whose wife has died). It's the last words we ever see David Grant utter. And then the aftermath. There's plenty of shocking moments (such as Abby seeing David's dead body in the mirror - they killed Peter Bowles!!), but it's all very nicely underplayed. The characters here are completely knocked sideways, but there's no hysterics, which is much more like the natural reaction. We see five people alive in the last 20 minutes: Abby, Jenny, Tom Price, the almost deaf character played by Peter Copley (Bronson the teacher), and the man with the bag of money that Jenny discovers with the Death... make that four people alive. There are plenty of nice directorial shots from Pennant Roberts, especially the shot from above of Abby alone walking from the church. It's interesting to see the difference between Jenny and Abby... Jenny craves company and stays the man until he is dead, while Abby just leaves Bronson to his own devices (she’d be better teaming up with him, but clearly she’s not thinking straight at this point). And then Abby symbolically ends her old life. That plush Tudor House, her dead husband, her locks of hair, all burnt down to the ground. The only thing left of her old life is the hope that her son Peter is somehow alive. A very downbeat, but very effective opening episode. Oh, and I can't go without mentioning the brilliant opening titles, plus the evocative title music. TT Og heads out of ten: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Vanessa Doffenshmirtz |
Posted on 20-01-2022 04:25
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Sorry I couldn't be part of the rewatch I got my winter trifecta, snow, cold, asthma attack. The latter was caused by me over-working myself moving the former. Why did I move to Canada again? I used to be such a sweet, sweet thing
Till they got a hold of me |
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Lurena |
Posted on 20-01-2022 11:16
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I'm sorry, I was about to join you in this rewatch, but the partly lifting of our covid-19 measurements forced me to go out and do my teaching in the evening classes. I will have to miss the Wednesday rewatches now, but I will watch the eps later and read your comments. *No, I am not. I am not expendable, I'm not stupid, and I'm not going.*
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OneSparePart |
Posted on 20-01-2022 14:01
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My review from a previous rewatch: (1.1) “The Fourth Horseman” by Terry Nation Directed by Pennant Roberts “Oh God, please don’t let me be the only one”. EXTRAORDINARY!!! The first episode of "Survivors" is simply amazing. It tells the spread of the Death and the vast majority of the population being wiped out. The storytelling here is so clever. We see few very deaths (Jenny's friend is the first dead body we see). There is the odd snatch of a radio broadcast, or a tannoy announcement, as we gradually find out how serious things are. At the centre of the episode is Carolyn Seymour's Abby Grant, upper-class housewife, whose comfortable life in the plush commuter belt is brought crashing down to Earth. Abby is terribly posh – she even has servants. And she’s married to Peter Bowles. Abby catches the Death herself, but almost uniquely recovers from it. This episode is neatly split in two, as Abby lies on her bed for four days, as she fights off the Death. Before that, we see plenty of life. Yes, lots of people not very well, but people thinking: "blimey, this will is going to leave a hell of a clean-up operation in a week.” There's quite an adult scene where three looters threaten to rape Jenny (hope they died in great pain!). We then see reality starting to set in, especially the conversation between Peter Bowles and the local Doctor (whose wife has died). It's the last words we ever see David Grant utter. And then the aftermath. There's plenty of shocking moments (such as Abby seeing David's dead body in the mirror - they killed Peter Bowles!!), but it's all very nicely underplayed. The characters here are completely knocked sideways, but there's no hysterics, which is much more like the natural reaction. We see five people alive in the last 20 minutes: Abby, Jenny, Tom Price, the almost deaf character played by Peter Copley (Bronson the teacher), and the man with the bag of money that Jenny discovers with the Death... make that four people alive. There are plenty of nice directorial shots from Pennant Roberts, especially the shot from above of Abby alone walking from the church. It's interesting to see the difference between Jenny and Abby... Jenny craves company and stays the man until he is dead, while Abby just leaves Bronson to his own devices (she’d be better teaming up with him, but clearly she’s not thinking straight at this point). And then Abby symbolically ends her old life. That plush Tudor House, her dead husband, her locks of hair, all burnt down to the ground. The only thing left of her old life is the hope that her son Peter is somehow alive. A very downbeat, but very effective opening episode. Oh, and I can't go without mentioning the brilliant opening titles, plus the evocative title music. TT Og heads out of ten: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I was unsure, at the start, whether it was a good idea not to show the course and effect ( I do mean course and not cause) of the virus amongst the larger population. I think, now, it was a good idea. Apart from the time, energy and money saved by the production company, it actually works well for the story. The viewer is immediately disconcerted and cut off from the reality that he/she is familiar with. So, the viewer is flung into the 'what will they do' scenario with relative ease. That said, I can't quite believe in Abby burning down the house. She has already decided by then to go to look for her son. If her mind is working clearly enough to do that then surely she must have thought that HE might be trying to get home...the home that she has just burned down. Like Huggy (?was it you Huggy?) said, she should have been leaving a note for her son just in case he did show up. I'd like to have seen her dragging the body into a garden grave (like the scene in The Stand/Stephen King in which Frannie buries her father). But that is really a small niggle. 10/10 as TT says. (When will this agreeing with you stop?) I remember being horrified as a child by watching this. Was there anything with as much impact/similar storyline before this? Silflay hraka, u embleer rah!
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Hugbot |
Posted on 20-01-2022 17:17
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Like Huggy (?was it you Huggy?) said, she should have been leaving a note for her son just in case he did show up. Actually, it was Nixxie. Strange, I seem to be always on your mind... ![]() But seriously, for me the burning works. That was a quicker, less strenuous and less icky solution to giving her hubby a decent burial as oppsosed to digging a hole in the garden and carrying the corpse over). Plus, it was a symbolic act - making it clear to herself that there is no way to go back. Of course, leaving a message for her son would have been the sensible thing to do. And there is also the question of fire hazard to the whole neighbourhood... |
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OneSparePart |
Posted on 20-01-2022 20:36
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I could have scrolled back and found out who had been so sensible to suggest leaving a note for sonny jim. But as you say, Huggy, or was it Elvis?...you are always on my mind...![]() ![]() It is great to watch Survivors in company. Especially considering what is to come... Silflay hraka, u embleer rah!
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trevor travis |
Posted on 21-01-2022 11:16
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Like Huggy (?was it you Huggy?) said, she should have been leaving a note for her son just in case he did show up. Actually, it was Nixxie. Strange, I seem to be always on your mind... ![]() But seriously, for me the burning works. That was a quicker, less strenuous and less icky solution to giving her hubby a decent burial as oppsosed to digging a hole in the garden and carrying the corpse over). Plus, it was a symbolic act - making it clear to herself that there is no way to go back. Of course, leaving a message for her son would have been the sensible thing to do. And there is also the question of fire hazard to the whole neighbourhood... I think the neighbours are too dead to complain ![]() On the subject of leaving a note for Peter, it would make sense, although I don't think Abby is quite thinking straight at this moment. Another mistake she makes is leaving the deaf schoolteacher to his own devices. Yeah, he's almost deaf and old, but he's also a mine of information. |
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trevor travis |
Posted on 21-01-2022 11:23
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[quote name=trevor travis post=603]My review from a previous rewatch: Was there anything with as much impact/similar storyline before this? I guess its nearest relation is Day Of The Triffids. Meanwhile, Terry Nation had a trope of killing most of the human population through a plague, starting with The Dalek Invasion Of Earth. But that was set years after the event, whereas Survivors deals with the everyday stuff in the immediate aftermath. Interestingly, some call Survivors pure sci-fi, due to its lack of fantasy elements. Star Cops also was pure sci-fi. Apparently B7 and Doctor Who aren't 'proper science fiction', but for me the term is all embracing. |
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