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mutazoia
Since the original thread got shuffled off to the "Duel" section, where threads go to die, I'll start this anew, with an altered game plan... (and quote the last few entries rather than make you go hunt down the original thread.)

Okay.

So let's assume we'll be doing a continuation, with a new crew, set 35 years after the events in Season 4. How do we set the stage and get things rolling?

It's highly unlikely (read impossible) that the Federation could have conquered the entire Galaxy, even with Pylene 50 in a mere 35 years. It would take a few thousand more at least before they could cover half of it. That mean's there will always be systems outside federation control.

If we assume that Pylene 50 is damned expensive to manufacture, and as such is only used to conquer new worlds, and that at 35 years the systems conquered using Pylene 50 are now populated mostly by people that were born after the Federation established control, we could say that the mind control effect is not hereditary, that most of the population that was dosed is either dead or dying of old age, and there for 90% of the populations of each world was born under Federation control and has known nothing else so the Federation no longer needs to dose the planets to maintain control. They only use it now to conquer new systems when other methods fail (by hook or by crook) and military action would be to costly or flashy, or to quell the odd uprising (re-dosing larger groups of trouble makers, saving the brain washing for the more important people).

Now we don't have to worry that much about Pylene 50. It is still a threat, but not the inescapable 800lb gorillia it was in Season 4. We'll hear nothing from Avon, Villa or Servalan (mostly to avoid any Intellectual Property issues). We'll assume that Avon and Villa, if alive, have found a nice little hole to hide in and the Federation is none the wiser. We can assume Servalan made off with Orac and used him to become president again...buy by this time she has either retired or been retired by some one younger and faster than she was.

So now we have to get our new crew together and prod them into action. How? What if we start them much like Blake and crew: They've all been convicted of various crimes against the Federation and are on a prison transport on it's merry way to Cygnas Alpha. Like Blake and crew, our new band of hero's also stage a mutiny to gain control of the ship, but unlike the last time, this mutiny succeeds. Where Blake was unwilling to sacrifice any of his fellow prisoners to make good their escape, our new crew is more of Avon's mind set....either some die taking the ship or they all die on Cygnas Alpha. Either way dead is dead and their dying now gives the rest of them a chance.

So now they control the prison transport and have a few extra members along to boot. Obviously our crew will be the ring leaders, and naturally at least one of them is going to be a pilot. The other prisoners are not too happy about being unwilling sacrifices for our "hero's" but as the new crew has the only pilot, and they've set course for some frontier planet out side the Federation, they get along more or less (some grumbling and threats, maybe a fight so our guys can show off a bit for the camera).

Once they land, most of the prisoners (everybody but our lot) goes their separate ways. Now we have them together, free of the Federation, and in a position to turn around and hit back. So who are they, and what motivates them to do so? Perhaps at first they just want to go back and do a bit (okay...quite a lot) of thieving and making a general nuisance of them selves, but eventually, like Avon slowly transition from "I'm just in it for the money" to actually giving a damn.

If we mimic the old formula a bit we can probably come up with:

Our Political dissenter and goad that eventually pushes the group to fight the good fight rather than just lining their pockets. For the sake of mixing it up a bit we can make him the new computer genius. "He's the number two computer expert in the Federation." "Who's number one?" "The guy who caught me...some guy named Orac." Perhaps he was caught trying to un-rig an election?

Our "Security Expert"....we could make him a blend of Avon and Villa...Villa's skill set with Avon's moral compass and attitude. A ruthless thief from the Delta grages who will kill you as soon as pick your pocket...sticks with the group as much for the opportunity of making money than anything else. Pretty obvious why he's on the ship.

Our Pilot...to avoid a Jenna clone or a Tarrent clone, we could make HIM the coward of the group. He's perfectly fine at the controls of a ship...surrounded by several thousand tons of metal, force walls, back up systems, redundant systems for the back up systems...but don't try to get him to take action on the planet...."people can get hurt with guns...namely me." Probably don't want to make him a smuggler...maybe he never actually got a pilots certification...used a fake and was finally caught after a small but costly accident. (not his fault...he's too good for that, but enough for his certification to be examined and found to be fake.)

Gan's character in the original crew was just kind of...there. He didn't do much, and we never know much about his past. So to avoid that how about we have our big bruiser type be the group mechanic. While our computer expert can build anything electronic , if you want to repair/modify the ship, build a base of operations or anything else, you'll need the mechanic. Working heavy machinery and construction has built him up some muscle and he's not afraid to use it. We can even keep his reason for being there the same as Gan's, only instead of giving him a limiter (honestly why a limiter AND shipped off to Cygnas Alpha) we can say that was his first time killing some one....he realized that he got a sick kind of pleasure from the act, and that scared him to the point where he avoids killing....(making it much more of an impact later in the series when he finally does kill).

We still need a couple of girls to round out the cast. Rather than have the 70's/80's style "heroine" that are there mostly to be decorations and bat their eyelashes. We can add a couple of strong female leads to get us up to 7 (no Zen or Orac for us). We can take a page from Terry Nation's play book and introduce them after the crew makes it to the frontier world (If one woman on a prison transport was a event in Blake's time, two would be over the top and a bit too convenient).

So if we assume we need a medic...how about a frontier doctor/snake oil saleswoman. Just enough skill to be a decent medic, but not really skilled enough to be working as the full fledged doctor she's passing her self off to be. She finds herself in the position of needing to re-locate just as the crew arrive and are making plans to head back into Federation space. Just for fun we can make her a match for our "Security Expert" personality wise...maybe not as overtly vicious as he is but definitely definitely not some one you want to get on the bad side of...especially when she's holding a scalpel or mixing up the pain killers.(We probably don't want to go full on Hannibal Lecter....but something pretty close could be fun).

That leaves one left.....We could do a blend of Dana and Soolin but that seems a bit obvious...although it could be fun, especially if we could cast twins and make her the "doctor's" sister/partner in crime.

Suggestions?

Space Chopper wrote:

BTW, I'm liking the new character suggestions there. Maybe the ship's 'doctor' could actually be someone who *is* pretty skilled, but was pioneering a new and therefore frowned-upon technique, which was tried on a prominent federation diplomat or dignitary, and said dignitary died through no fault of the doctor, but the federation struck him off and set him up for murder?


Not bad, but if our doctor *is* pretty skilled then we miss out on opportunities like we see in the original series when Gan's limiter malfunctions...the crew has to search for a doctor that can do the job and hijinks ensue. Having the doc pretend to be more skilled that she is, and killing some one rather than saving them (watch "Spies Like Us" where Chevy Chase's character pretends to be a doctor and suddenly has to remove the appendix of a gorilla leader...) gives her ample reason to need to relocate...fast.

Now another idea I was kicking around...and this might be a bit much, to be honest...is to introduce a character that I originally designed for a different story line I was working on a while back. To do so we would make our doctor one of the guys, and our computer expert one of the women. She would be head and shoulders above everybody else in the known galaxy in computers, electronics...and robotics. And she would be the inventor of our other female character....(here's the "bit much part) a female android. B7 had two (technically 3) androids over the course of all 4 seasons..two that looked and acted human, and one that thought it was human, so having one on the crew wouldn't be too much of a stretch.

To avoid a Data clone (and this is the thing I liked about this character).... Our computer specialist, in order to gain funds for her research project, agreed to build our android for a local warlord who..well lets say he wanted a play mate that would not break as easily as the one's he usually picked up...or if she did break, could be put back together. Our expert initially agrees but has a change of heart about building the most complex android in the galaxy as nothing more than an electronic blow up doll. She absconds with the android and hitches a ride with our hero's. She wipes all the "fun bot" programming and is constantly trying to program her to be an assistant and basic jill of all trades.

In the original character concept the Android was an electronic blow up doll, but the main character buys her (she's rather obsolete) wipes her programming, and loads her up with medical software, as it is cheaper than buying a medical android. The only problem (and the problem our android will have as well) is that some of the old programming never quite seemed to get erased, and, even if she was performing the most benign task, it always seemed to be done in the most accidental erotic away possible. Now we'll tone that down quite a bit (or not...this would be a web release so we dn't have to worry about being censored). But think what use a bunch of criminals could put an android to... she can mimic voices perfectly.so pretending to be a Federation Admiral over military comm lines would be a breeze. She wouldn't have the raw computing power of Orac but she would at least be able to match Avon...and work inhumanly fast. The new ship wouldn't have an AI built in...but she could function just as well and be more mobile (so they could swap ships at will and still keep an AI's control of ships systems no matter what heap they were flying. I'm sure we could think of all sorts of fun to have with a character like that. But again that might be a bit much, lol

Space Chopper wrote:

Interesting- and another idea that just sprang to mind, which also may be a bit much (Especially in the UK with recent news stories) would be that, as this is 35 years on, the leader of our new group is someone who had their mind altered as a child, to have false memories of Blake's molestation implanted, as we saw in series A episode 1. As he grows up, he realises that the memories are false, but he' s still haunted by Blake's face, and it's while hacking a federation database that he discovers who Blake really was- and that inspires him to take his own revenge on the federation. Yet another aspect of Blake's legacy...


rojkerr1 wrote:

I touched on this in my story Scars, on the Kaldor city website, very disturbing and upsetting to write, was originally published in Horizon to promote the Mark Of kane audio, I still have the Nick Spender artwork for it


Which brings us to where we're at now. Any (polite and helpful) questions/comments/suggestions?
 
Anniew
I don't know if it helps but it seems to me that among dissidents Orac and Zen would have acquired almost mythical status. Either would be the kind of Holy Grail of any rebellious activity and Blake and the others also would have heroic stature. All rebels would surely want to find Orac and control it. Or maybe even see if all the DSVs had been destroyed

Albion maybe would be where a new revolution might base itself. Positive memories of Blake and Avon. A tradition of rebellion. If Albion was subject to further Federation interference this could well have sparked a resurgence.

Or maybe archeologists on Gauda Prime find Something that sparks an interest in rebellion.

Or Maybe someone in the Teal Vandor confederation is moved to emulate Tarrant and to begin a new rebellion.

I think your character list is interesting but it lacks the essential tension between the ' noble' revolutionary and the criminal opportunist. Allowing the other prisoners to be killed and so take over the ship starts us off firmly in Avon's territory. Where does the messianic zeal come from? They would have to recruit a Blake type figure who begins to win the hearts and minds of the crew and introduce a moral perspective. You could keep your dirty dozen crew but then an idealistic, experienced, yet damaged revolutionary joins it and starts to persuade them to do a revolutionary act. Initially for profit, what they find on the planet is so shocking ( involving children probably or do threatening to the freedoms of all planets ( Pylene 50+ or super weapon??) that a majority become committed to revolutionary acts.
Just because I can't sing doesn't mean I won't.
 
Anniew
Another quick thought - maybe the revolution should be linked to survival issues. Fear of Federation practises causing ecological disasters. Maybe Albion suffering ecological collapse following federation mining - sparking rebellion.
Just because I can't sing doesn't mean I won't.
 
mutazoia
Anniew wrote:

I don't know if it helps but it seems to me that among dissidents Orac and Zen would have acquired almost mythical status. Either would be the kind of Holy Grail of any rebellious activity and Blake and the others also would have heroic stature. All rebels would surely want to find Orac and control it. Or maybe even see if all the DSVs had been destroyed

Albion maybe would be where a new revolution might base itself. Positive memories of Blake and Avon. A tradition of rebellion. If Albion was subject to further Federation interference this could well have sparked a resurgence.

Or maybe archeologists on Gauda Prime find Something that sparks an interest in rebellion.

Or Maybe someone in the Teal Vandor confederation is moved to emulate Tarrant and to begin a new rebellion.

I think your character list is interesting but it lacks the essential tension between the ' noble' revolutionary and the criminal opportunist. Allowing the other prisoners to be killed and so take over the ship starts us off firmly in Avon's territory. Where does the messianic zeal come from? They would have to recruit a Blake type figure who begins to win the hearts and minds of the crew and introduce a moral perspective. You could keep your dirty dozen crew but then an idealistic, experienced, yet damaged revolutionary joins it and starts to persuade them to do a revolutionary act. Initially for profit, what they find on the planet is so shocking ( involving children probably or do threatening to the freedoms of all planets ( Pylene 50+ or super weapon??) that a majority become committed to revolutionary acts.


Nobody outside of Bake's crew and Servalan/Travis knew about Orac...he(?) was too much of an advantage for Blake/Avon to bandy about, and you KNOW Servalan wouldn't share knowledge of his existence with anybody. Zen is pretty much the same way, having never left (read quite impossible for him to ) the Liberator, nobody would really know about him.

The "noble" revolutionary in the character list is the computer expert (first version), who gets the group to stay together and hit back at the Federation under the pretense of revenge/robbing them blind. He's not the Defacto leader of the group during the mutiny, the "Security expert" takes that role, and the two compete for leadership there after.
 
Anniew
There would surely be rumours of some sort of super weapon owned by the Federation. Servalan was sent to receive it by the Government after all and I can't believe that somebody wouldn't have leaked the information. People might not have know what it was exactly but rumours about it would have existed: that Servalan had an advantage that made her untouchable - sort of add to her mystery and legend.
Just because I can't sing doesn't mean I won't.
 
mutazoia
Space Chopper wrote:

Interesting- and another idea that just sprang to mind, which also may be a bit much (Especially in the UK with recent news stories) would be that, as this is 35 years on, the leader of our new group is someone who had their mind altered as a child, to have false memories of Blake's molestation implanted, as we saw in series A episode 1. As he grows up, he realises that the memories are false, but he' s still haunted by Blake's face, and it's while hacking a federation database that he discovers who Blake really was- and that inspires him to take his own revenge on the federation. Yet another aspect of Blake's legacy...


That might be a bit much for a regular character, but I could see working that in as the back story for another, more disturbed and violent resistance leader that our new group encounters/has dealings with...maybe he's set himself up on earth much as Blake had started out...maybe even ends up using the old tunnels outside the city where Ben Foster was gunned down with out realizing it.
 
Spaceship Dispatcher
Have just closed the previous thread, for clarity only as it's now been superceded by this one - SD

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Reversing the polarity of the neutron flow. I bet that means something. It sounds great.

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mutazoia
Spaceship Dispatcher wrote:

Have just closed the previous thread, for clarity only as it's now been superceded by this one - SD

Happy


Tanx....was getting to be a chore checking two threads lol
 
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