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Gauda Cheese
Death-Watch

or

How To Pick Up Women With Subtlety by Vila Restal


"She (Dayna) looks good in green"

"Boom mic!" Both of us at the same time. You see it when the newsman is having his talk with his producer.

"The Neutral Arbiter is gonna be.... I knew it!"

"Oh this is like the Hunger Games"

"That guy (Vinni) is stupid, just jumps through the opening and is like "Hey here I am!""

Deter rounds corners cautiously then checks above and behind him "See thats how you do it!"

"Avon is such a player"

"Was Cally's hand on Avon's leg"

"Don't think so"

Michelle loved Death-Watch and finally Kairos has a battle on its hands for Michelle's top pick of the season!

She liked the concept of two people fighting a war for their people and that both sides got to watch using those discs. The setting, the background of Teal and Vandor all work for her.

There were so many moments in this story that she loved whether they be dramatic or funny. Avon repeating to Orac to "Put it on the main screen" Vila putting his foot in it then clumsily hitting on Dayna later, Vila and Cally having a giggle and dashing for the teleport, Avon and Servalan's chat. Tarrant experiencing his brothers death. Avon asking if Tarrant is okay with cheating and finally the end when Tarrant and Avon ask Cally to bring them up in unison.

The story has a lot going for it, great concepts and setting. Wonderful dialogue and it gets better for me every time I see it. Definitely top ten for me.

Next up road trip and Michelle's first foray into Big Finish then Friday night....... TERMINAL!
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littlesue
Apparently, that request of 'Two to come up' was totally unscripted and Mr D and Mr P decided to do it.
I know Grandson found it wonderful that little bit. I also loved the presenter chatting to his producer with the boom mike and those 3 little cameras.
Cold.....you don't know the meaning of cold.
Cold is when you have ice on the INSIDE of the window!!!


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Chase123
CYGNUS ALPHA

Sorry but you cannot go wrong with a darkly lit planet, even if the sets look like they are from early to mid 70s Doctor Who. I forgot to mention this last time but the shuttle London's interior control room looked so black and white, or rather gray, to remind me of control rooms from the Hartnell/Troughton eras but they were supposed to look that way...the London was a tub. Here, we have the commmander and Artix again and they fufill their mission. You also cannot go wrong with religion as the enemy, three very dependable actors as the baddies (although Pamela Salem as Kara seemed to try to save Gan...was she supposed to have thrown herself infront of the spear...that didn't come across well), and Catholic/Australia ties. The religion bit sits uncomfortable with me as I don't like it when people claim there is no God and all that but it is true religion has been used as a calmer or for any use other than spiritual but I don't equate religion with spirituality any longer. You can't go wrong with Brian Blessed as an over the top dictator with ideas of further conquest...nor the actor who plays his aide, who also played in Space : 1999. In fact, almost all of these guest stars and the names of their characters seem to have come from Space: 1999, either by mistake or design...and that makes things okay, too.

Add to that the tension between Avon and Jenna, the early scenes of Jenna and Avon and Blake finding out more about the Liberator, and again more rebel deaths and mix quickly...and you have a rousing episode.

The version I saw seemed to have a cut or something. One moment Vargas is teleporting up, then Blake and Vargas is there, what? Hiding. Why didn't Jenna and Avon react to Vargas appearing? Not sure if it is a poor edit, a cut scene from the dvd, or just bad direction from script or what.

In any event, it all comes across as quite an adventure and well done. Not the best episode but not the poorest either. And as a third episode, it works well. It also sets up the Federation as after Blake...one does in hindsight wonder why Avon's advice wasn't followed by Jenna or even Blake...knowing what comes ahead for the next four years!


TIME SQUAD

Denoted by having a slightly different arrangement of the end theme. Most BBC shows of the time and for decades before it, certainly the 70s and 60s, with exception had been plagued by fairly adequate but unremarkable "incidental" music. Nothing that nice but fufilling a purpose. Of course the theme tunes to B7, DW, and The Tomorrow People are highly well done and should be revered but the music in the actual shows? They cannot stand up to the music of most American shows or shows from ITV such as Space: 1999 and UFO. In any case, this reeks of 1970s and 60s with its cyrogenetically frozen aliens and in a small ship that we've seen in any number of other shows from STARLOST to STAR TREK and LOST IN SPACE and VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA and PLANET OF THE APES. It kind of works here.

The thing that's annoying about some Blake's 7 episodes is the lack of detail and explanation. I seem to recall seeing one of the aliens that seemed to be a husk of death...like the tortured body Gan found in the last episode on Cygnus Alpha. Jenna seems to recoil from one. I also seem to recall them saying there were just TWO aliens and then there turns out to be four. Didn't anyone see or check the fourth "bed"? Why did Zen seem to be wonking out before the aliens put their device to drain power? Why didn't Zen just warn them rather than play mysterious? Did the aliens put the limiter on Gan? He certainly seems able to kill in the last episode. Lots of questions and few answers. The fight scenes are okay but the scene where Blake warns Jenna just before an alien almost knives her is completely botched and left on screen. It was almost ameteurish by all involved.

Truth be told, while I appreciate the actors and even the characters of Blake (he really IS a manipulative b*&^%#@, isn't he?), Jenna and Gan---I much prefer the later lines up of season three and four. Avon isn't really all that sinister here and in the last episode I recall Jenna asking if he could kill anyone face to face. He's never done it before apparently. Cally seems almost too cold here. The planet stuff comes off better I think. Vila is properly funny and useful here.

All in all not a terrible episode but not one of the best either but then again I prefer the later seasons. It does establish the full seven. Oh and Zen in the last episode was not at all like the emotionless Zen of later episodes but here he does seem to slow it all up and have less personality. Making way for Orac?

Again, though, the effects, though nothing compared to today or even American shows from the 60s, get the job done.


THE WEB

We still haven't gotten to Blake as we know it yet...or have we. A lost Auronar being. Others being persecuted. A strange space phenomena. Closing in Federation ships. Someone taken over. Avon looking out for number one...and frequent allusions to his taking over ("there will be a time when Blake is not making the decisions"Wink as well as Avon doing things that go against what he says he wants to do (saving Blake's life for one).

Vila is not used to his utmost. Gan is listening/watching some personal video like a walkman but with pictures and video, I'd guess. Jenna's hair is big.

The planet looks adequate again and the effects are okay. The back of the Decima costumes look okay, however, the face part looks terrible...many BBC shows and shows from the past such as Lost In Space sometimes do this...we see the face mask with the holes for the eyes. I guess the imagination has to come into play to see what they were trying to do rather than criticize it for the shortcomings. BUT the voices of the Decimas are just embarassing as is their attack rage sound...like babies mixed with cat attacks. SOOOO, were the two human beings...living? Androids? Surely they were made of flesh and blood as constructs. The really embarassing thing is the Lost alien in the tube. It just looks....really bad.

That written, there's not much of a story here that isn't like the first parts of WEB OF FEAR and THE WEB PLANET on DW. AND the music is really annoying.

It's a grim ending with the skulls being kicked in and bodies shown reduced to bones. I would have sworn under oath that when this was shown in the US, Avon said, "Let's get the HELL out of here," and that there were more and longer lingering shots of the skulls and skeletons. I recall it being disturbing but by today's standards, it's nothing.

And that's what this episode seems like...nothing. It's hard to forget it though, for some reason.
 
Chase123
SEEK LOCATE DESTROY

Now this is proper BLAKE'S SEVEN; the music is much, much better; Vila steals the show for the first half of the episode; there are dark Federation suited men with blasters, seemingly good men who work for the Feds, old men plotting (including Nyder from DW), and...a destruction of a base and a stealing of a code machine. If that weren't enough, we get a giant space station and perhaps the greatest two villains in all of TV (and probably movie) history: Servalan and Travis. Now, these two are certainly sociopath and psychopath or perhaps both of them are both of those. Yet...somehow Nation imbibes them with total humanity as well...they are fully developed IMO. Fully developed people. Certainly they are Darth Vader but so much more interesting. Love the little touches with Ray and Prell...showing that these two villains have connections...manipulation and sex but which is which? On top of that the two of them in scenes they share are just magnificent and never get boring. It's hard to imagine that Jackie Pearce once played the Hammer Horror monster THE REPTILE (pretty good movie btw.

Added to that is Cally's capture (poor Cally, last episode she spent being possessed and now tortured and blasted and not in that order). Avon gets his quips in but he's almost too likable here (he doesn't make fun of Gan in this one). Almost everyone gets something to do. I don't know if Nation planned the series out this way but to wait until the what 8th episode to do this, is brilliant. I'ts almost a reboot of the entire series up to now and this without a doubt the best episode up to now. Just awesome.

One thing about a past episode: why was Vargas able to fire a Liberator weapon when in the episode before that it was apparent that only one person could fire the isomorphic guns, so one gun per person (a very constraining plot device). Love the BBC robot. Not really.


MISSION DESTINY

Nation's formed himself a good little who done it, ten little indians style. It has flaws but it's not boring and it moves along for being confined to a small space ship and the Liberator in a meteor storm. One thing: how does the Liberator lose power and reserves? How does it get power back? Does it need to rest? Recharge? Solar power? What? In any case, the music is once again a slight improvement and the effects are passable. I checked a bloopers site and cannot believe the things I missed on viewing that were bloopers such as when Blake slaps the vent system off or closed, something falls and clatters to the floor! Vila gets some good lines; Jenna's amusement of him showing; Cally gets more to do and is not possessed. Why was the Sonheim guy behind her reaching for her neck though? Again, it's not that obvious who the killer was and Avon is in good form as well. He gets some good lines too such as "Thanks Cally, that's a great idea," and "You'd better get her out of here, I rather enjoyed that." And more. He sort of shines as the "hero" of the pieces, foreshadowing season three and four (although by four he was super psychotic). It is said he breaks character only in this episode when something Jan Chappel does startles him but I missed it. I also like how he doesn't go after the killer but tells her fellow crewmembers to go after her. Can't picture that happening on DW.

Oh and one more thing about last episode: we don't see the D (d?)octor who treats Cally. We hear him and see his body but not his face. It's a bit disconcerting. In any case, Mission: Destiny is just fine, detailing Blake's moral side and maybe even Avon's as well and showing Cally's ability to sneak around. A good episode with some unique situations.

Two more things about SEEK LOCATE AND DESTROY: I'ts the first "Down and safe" I heard and it is the first mention of a Mutoid.

DUEL
The first time we see a mutoid. This is an old hat plot: pit one man and a companion or not against another man and a companion or not. There was an old TV movie with Darren McGavin on an island I believe against another man from Russia fighting out the third world war just between the two of them. Of course there the original short story ARENA which was made into both an OUTER LIMITS and a STAR TREK episode. Though not quite the same, THE MOST DANGEROUS GAME is about a hunter after human prey and it has been made into two movies and emulated in others as well as a major list of tv shows from LOST IN SPACE to GILLIGAN'S ISLAND to HART TO HART to CHARLIE'S ANGELS.

It's really not a great plot here and yet the space battle/chase/power drain makes it interesting somewhat as well as the two alien women leads, one of them Isla Blair. The background to the planet war is quite old hat, too though but the two leads imbibe life into basically cliche god like alien roles. Then there's a false start where Travis gets a machete to Blake's neck and then they just do it over.

The mutoid is the most interesting aspect really and even that's somewhat cliche as sh'e is compared to a vampire. The bat that bites Blake's hand is not really a big threat either. This episode almost put me to sleep but it's not terrible, really. Of course Blake is not going to kill Travis just like Kirk did not kill the Gorn (in the Outer Limits, I think the man did kill the alien hunting him) and like Avon we might shake our head. Travis starts and ends again with the same lines he'll use again, "This time Blake I have you." And, "Next time" or "You should have killed me Blake." It's not hard to see why Nation would eventually kill Travis off completely. And Travis is much better when he's with Servalan.

Avon starts to get ALL the best lines including his "Blake and Travis are up a tree and nuts" line and his "why it is necessary to prove that one cares" lines. All of them well delivered


PROJECT AVALON
Why would Chevron be the saboteur when he helped them rescue Avalon? He could have just said she was killed and then ask Liberator to take him off world. In addition, Servalan at the end says the project was a complete failure but eariler in the episode, the doctor tells Travis they have everything they need from Avalon's mind: including some 30 planet names that are rebellious to the Federation.

Servalan meets Blake face to face for the first time. The robot makes another appearance and its better as a threat this time. There's lots of action, another full massacre of unarmed rebels and Glynis Barber who will play Soolin in season four (and was'nt she in Dempsey and Makepeace?) as a mutoid. It's also hard to believe that the Feds would let Blake get away but I guess they want the Liberator more than Blake but on the face of it, that makes less sense, too if you think about it. In any case, this episode is not terrible, moves quickly, sort of.

I've noticed that Servalan employs young good looking men and /or mutoids that are male as her escorts. The comics of Barry Blair would present uber -bitaches too and they employ young men as well as torturers. I would guess that one did not influence the other but one never knows.

As a hero and heroine I find Jenna and Blake somewhat...dull. Vila and Avon now that's another story. I also find Gan does less and less but his fight with the android is well done. The virus story is grisly and gross even. And effective. I like how Blake turns the tables on Servalan and Travis in the end, too.



BREAKDOWN

LAND OF THE GIANTS: THE CREED had the boy Barry in need of an appendix removal (in fact LAND OF THE GIANTS seems almost a parent to Blake's 7: there are seven main characters; a brave Capt who can very rarely be manipulative but smart; his near-nemesis --a computer--mechanic expert, scientist who is often at odds with the Captain's ways and who's arrogant and may not like any of the others at first; a very pretty girl with long hair; another younger, more innocent and trusting girl; a con artist with serio-comic ways and a sense of loyalty who might be a coward/hero and who can open locks and steal things; a boy and his dog). SPACE: 1999 had SPACE WARP where Maya goes crazy and endangers the entire base of Alpha while the Moon goes through a hole in space and it also had an earlier episode called THE BLACK SUN. There is also a space station ala some of the STAR TREK and DOCTOR WHO episodes. And a complete computer breakdown and a discussion of neutrality. And a laugh up at the very end after Gan recovers. And a stray shot destroying something could come from THE TOMORROW PEOPLE-INTO THE UNKNOWN.

Strong on plot and movement and action, this is perhaps the best ep up to now. It is certainly the best acted and written IMO although...why does Cally let Gan out? Why does Blake leave two unknown entities...two new men on the Liberator operate on Gan without watching them? And just where was Blake during the time Julian Glover's character takes stalling?

Despite those questions and the derivative plot, it really, really works well and it highly entertaining. Keating and Darrow stand out but then again so does Thomas. When Blake's delivers his threat on Glover's character, it's one of those classic TV moments almost equal to any Twilight Zone revelation. "I shall destroy your hands." It is a pity that the other two men on the station and indeed everyone on it had to be destroyed.

A nice subplot is Avon's leaving of the Liberator crew and his desire to abandon them...but he DOES care and it shows here. Everyone has something to do in this episode and it's well done. David Jackson gives a good performance of pain and it is so beliveable.

Also abandoning everyone is Zen as he goes off line to control Liberator's movement that he does not want to make. I also like the foreshadowing of Avon wanting to find who built Zen and the Liberator some day. It WILL happen. Zen's uncooperativeness lends a nice touch.

Again, another good episode and the three men on the station represent true neutrality (and he gets strangled by one of his own kind), order through Federation which could be his ignorance (the Glover character), and morality on the side of Blake (somewhat). And as always in this show, the moral preaching never annoys or reach Star Trek proportions. It's all sort of grim but has a good ending for our heroes anyway. I like this episode.
 
Gauda Cheese
Whew I am exhausted. We did listen to Warship and Mich really liked it. I'll post more on that later.

Rest time.
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Gauda Cheese
**** SPOILERS*****

Warship

or

Fits like a Glove


Okay now anyone who hasn't heard Warship and cares about spoilers you might want to skip this. So with Mods permission I shall continue.

"Blake sounds the most different"

"Avon sounds even better older"

"Cally sounds almost like she did in the show"

"Servalan! Yay!"

"The guy doing Zen and Orac did a grat job. I could tell it wasn't the original guy, but this guy (looks at the CD cover) Lock doesn't do a parody or anything, its a pretty faithful recreation" I have told Michelle two of the original actors from the main cast have passed.

Michelle has never listened to an audio drama before and seeing that she's becoming quite the B7 fan I thought Warship was the perfect place to start. I was worried this time around, but for different reasons. Would she fall asleep? Would she be easily distracted by the scenery and would the older voices put her off?

That fact is.... she loved Warship. Sure the voices sounded different, but she knew who was who and everyone acted extremely well. We both laughed at the funny bits and I saw her sit up when the action picked up. Though nothing made her sit up like hearing Servalan. She sounds older and more husky sure, but she sat right up and grinned "Servalan!"

I asked her that if she closed her eyes could she imagine this as a B7 episode and she quickly agreed. We agree that there is some stuff in this that could never have been done on the TV at the time, but it felt so much like Blakes 7 that it fits right in.

Michelle being the Jenna fan she is was really happy with her in this one. Getting to show off her piloting skills and be a hero. Though Michelle did remark "Tarrant is a better pilot" She has a huge Tarrant crush.

Okay so there are no heavy spoilers here, but just in case. And yes I did bring the Armageddon Storm with me, but after Warship she wanted to read. We have another roadtrip planned in Feb and she's asked me to bring it along. YES MA'AM!


***** End of SPOILERS *****
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Gauda Cheese
Terminal

or

Avon Does His Blake Impression (Screw Avoiding Space Phenomena part 6)


"What's Tarrant wearing" She liked it

"Check out Avon with the studs"

"I'm loving the mystery"

There were a lot of "Holy @#$%'s"

"Mirror Tetris"

I hum the Tetris theme

"Shut up!"

"No! Poor Zen!"

"Of course its Servalan!"

"Is she dead? Tell me! TELL ME! HEY TELL ME"

"I don't know"

"You suck"

Well now we finish the amazing season C and Michelle liked Terminal quite a bit. I enjoy it as well.... but not near as much as I like Galactic Climate Change and Peckinpah Bloodbath.

Michelle liked the mystery of the episode, but Blake got a big non reaction from her. She doesn't give two damns about Blake. She did like that Avon would try to rescue him though. Loyal even if he didn't want to be.

She was upset at the death of Zen and thought we found out about his individuality too late. The destruction of the Liberator was a big shock and she was begging me to know what the fate of Servalan would be.

The biggest laugh came from Vila as he conned that smug woman to let him take Orac with him

Terminal was enjoyed more by her than me, but we're both very excited for Season D.
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Gauda Cheese
Season C round up

Michelle's favourite stories were Harvest of Kairos, City At the Edge of the World and Death-Watch. Honourable mentions go to Rumours of Death and Aftermath.

Mine were Everybody Hurts..... And is Tired, Goldcally Duh Duh Daaaaaaa & Cleanliness is Next to Vila-ness. We agree on one episode.

Her least favourite stories were Volcano and Ultraworld.

Mine is Three Women and a Muppet, but I don't dislike it. Only two episodes have that honour.

Her top two characters were Avon and Servalan, but she wouldn't admit to loving Tarrant. She blushes like crazy. With Blake gone she told me she was able to enjoy the other characters more and found she really liked Cally (uh oh) and shes loves Dayna.

For me it is and always will be Avon, Vila and Servalan. Though for me Dayna, Tarrant and Cally are great in C and all get their time to shine.
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trevor travis
Gauda Cheese wrote:
"Check out Avon with the studs"


She's gonna like Season D then. AngryCool

I am wondering about what Michelle's reaction to "Blake" will be. Will she not be bothered at all when Avon blows Blake away, but then start to get upset as the rest of the crew are shot?

As someone who started to watch B7 from Aftermath in January 1980 (at the tender age of six), that was my reaction. Blake? Didn't care about him being shot. The others? Oh crikey!! Sad
 
trevor travis
Gauda Cheese wrote:
For me it is and always will be Avon, Vila and Servalan. Though for me Dayna, Tarrant and Cally are great in C and all get their time to shine.


Season C is the season which is more a team effort than any of the others - everyone gets a chance to shine.

Season A is dominated by Blake, Season B by Blake & Avon, and Season D by Avon. Nominally Avon is the lead chracter in Season C, but you get quite a few episodes (including three on the trot mid-season) where he is pushed into the background and others are placed in the foreground. Season C also treats Servalan the best - she really is given a chance to grow and take centre stage a few times.

Basically Season C of B7 is my favourite season of my favourite programme. It's just fab.
 
Angry Angel
Season 3 (when did we start calling it C? Is that the official BBC label?) is good, and does highlight all the characters. It's got a few duff episodes, but they usually have something to enjoy in them, but the good episodes are really good.
 
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trevor travis
Angry Angel wrote:

Season 3 (when did we start calling it C? Is that the official BBC label?) is good, and does highlight all the characters. It's got a few duff episodes, but they usually have something to enjoy in them, but the good episodes are really good.


AA, they've always (officially) been A, B, C and D. The Tony Attwood Programme Guide was accurate in that aspect.

Hence Maximum Power taking the mickey and calling them M, N, P and R. Grin
Edited by trevor travis on 24 January 2014 20:16:57
 
Gauda Cheese
trevor travis wrote:

She's gonna like Season D then. AngryCool

I am wondering about what Michelle's reaction to "Blake" will be. Will she not be bothered at all when Avon blows Blake away, but then start to get upset as the rest of the crew are shot?

As someone who started to watch B7 from Aftermath in January 1980 (at the tender age of six), that was my reaction. Blake? Didn't care about him being shot. The others? Oh crikey!! Sad


Well first we have to get through Rescue. I quite like it..... but something is going to piss Michelle off royally in the opening minutes.

trevor travis wrote:

Gauda Cheese wrote:
For me it is and always will be Avon, Vila and Servalan. Though for me Dayna, Tarrant and Cally are great in C and all get their time to shine.


Season C is the season which is more a team effort than any of the others - everyone gets a chance to shine.

Season A is dominated by Blake, Season B by Blake & Avon, and Season D by Avon. Nominally Avon is the lead chracter in Season C, but you get quite a few episodes (including three on the trot mid-season) where he is pushed into the background and others are placed in the foreground. Season C also treats Servalan the best - she really is given a chance to grow and take centre stage a few times.

Basically Season C of B7 is my favourite season of my favourite programme. It's just fab.


I flip flop between C and D. They both have a great run of stories.
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Joe Dredd
Angry Angel wrote:

Season 3 (when did we start calling it C? Is that the official BBC label?)


As TT mentioned this is how they were designated in the Attwood Programme Guide. I don't know if he invented it or got it from the BBC(*), however I have to agree with you AA that it feels like there has been a sudden change in the way the fans talk about the series. In my experience everyone always used to refer to the series by number. Big Finish however use the A, B, etc designations and that seems to have led to the change in the way everyone is referring to the different series now. It still feels right to me to refer to the first series as S1 rather than 'series A' so I'm sticking with that. (Calling them 'series A' etc sounds a bit cack to me to be honest).



(*) I assume the BBC, thinking of all those Dr. Who stories with designations like BBB or whatever.
 
Ellen York
Terminal is one of the episodes that I didn't see when I was watching the show as a kid. We didn't have a VCR then, so I saw the episodes when they were aired, or I was out of luck (yes, I'm dating myself here). So when I watched it last summer, I knew it had to be the episode where the Liberator was destroyed, but not what happened. I spent the entire episode muttering "Avon, you are being an idiot". For an intelligent man, he has some very large blind-spots. And poor Zen! I hate that he didn't get to go out fighting, but was eaten by a space fungus.
 
Chase123
I think the point was that Avon was blinded by his vehement desire to find his stabilizing force: Blake. He wanted Blake!
 
Chase123
BOUNTY

Good acting but a sort of contrived storyline. Blake returns a displaced ex president to Lindor and then he leaves. Jenna has turned against Blake? Gan goes over to an obvious trap. As Avon says, "None of us showed a particular leaning toward the best judgement this time." Or something similar. Of course Avon and Vila get the best lines again and they are really really good. Their banter is wonderful and their reactions even better. Love Avon's smile when Vila tells him to shut up and then adds, "Please." Avon's not quite the killer here, though. That would be Cally and Jenna I guess. The Amagons are sort of...blah as bordering parties go. What are there---three of them? The leader is not at all believeable as someone Jenna might fall for. If he had been, then it might have been slightly believeable that she'd turn against Blake and friends. It's nice to think she might. The planetary stuff is nicely filmed and Blake shows himself to be a destroyer of art if he has to be, music this time. In many ways a study of a man who's given up should be great but for me, it somehow just only about makes it. I didn't care much for Sarov much anyway but his daughter...who we do not find out is his daughter until later on Liberator ---I think----because I'm sure I fell asleep a few times and missed something.

Don't get me wrong...I like this episode...just. The car, the music, the odd looking castle with modern towers sticking out of it, the forest (all the planets on Blake's 7 look as if they've just been rained on and btw plenty of planets were mentioned in the last episode, even one that is very anti-human), and the banter. The dialog between the main characters is the best thing about BLAKE'S 7. Oh, and this time about 14 min in, there is some REALLY nice music as Blake noses around Sarkoff's private collection room. It really stands out as good music and not intrusive at all but on its own it would be good, too.

More use of Cally's telepathy as if to tell us that she still has it. And she gets plenty of the action.


Deliverance

Blake's 7 seems, to me, to be the perfect balance between self contained stories and small arcs. Stories are sort of linked. This one has Ensor's son trying to deliver cells that will save his father's life and we will meet the father in the next episode. There's also mention here of the capsule taken on board in an earlier episode this season. Travis and Servalan appear but only in a few short scenes, short but pivotal in their character development...Travis seems to have some small hint of humanity and loyalty but that seems gone by the end of his meeting with the more ruthless Servalan. Their scenes together, delivering to us a great deal of plot exposition, are never dull and never boring. What a way to give us an info dump: with the character development of two of the best villains TV has ever given us. But Travis's uniform...blech already.

Everyone's in danger here in some fashion. The action is good, interesting...and a bit...well, strange. When Meekat opens the door...the first time it looks as if she's activiated it from a distance...but there's no power as we find out. Then, later she opens it by hand. Meekat made some mention of her people...we see only her. Was she delusional? Mad? Are the others dead? Are the others shy? AND...Liberator leaves them all on the planet...to do what? Die? Why? This won't be Jenna's last capture by savage warriors...all truly scary primitives here.

The rocket taking off...is just stock footage but so what? the rest of the effects are okay. Death in B7 comes swiftly as the man Marriot (?) dies quickly in. The episode feels a lot like a STAR TREK episode with a hidden cave with a beautiful women who talks oddly, behaves oddly and has an attraction to one of the more handsome men in the group...fights with primitives, near deadly radiation, and a hostage taking situation (although at times it also seems like Space: 1999---survivors with a rocket on a snow planet such as in Death's other Dominion)and of course Doctor Who (the rocket does remind me of Revenge of the Cybermen's Vogan control room and rocket sets). The control room seems shot like the second season control room in Space: 1999. And Jenna's near-escape from the savages reminds me of 1999's Full Circle. Then there is talk of the genetic banks which is like 1999-Mission of the Darians. Later this will feature on other series, such as Mission:Genesis and SilverSun, two shows from the many, many teen and children sci fi series from Canada and Australia.

It also smacks a bit of Lost In Space---primitives, snow, and making someone seem like they are your savior or creator (His Majesty Smith, The Android Machine). Not to say that is it boring, it's not. Certainly better than last episode.

For some reason to me, Zen looks more...uhm, like a big ball inside the usual shape he is. First mention of the great Orac in this episode. "What's Orac?" Blake asks...only a nice shot in the arm for the series.

Oh and notice Ensor Jr's touching of Cally and his hand pulls her blouse at her chest...
and he dies some time later, too. Gan mentions his limiter which will not allow him to kill...but hasn't he killed early in the series?

So how did the savior rumor start? Did Meekat just mention Avon's name after she heard it? Are the people somewhat psychic? Will they become Daleks outside and Thals inside or the reverse?

In any case, a good episode, fast paced and entertaining. I wish more was made of Avon-As-God sub plot but Vila does get in a few great lines as does Avon, all about that.

ORAC

With Ensor, Orac, Travis, Servlan and the radiation sickness this episode has many links to the past of the series and all is well. I just like Ensor Sr. He's a likable old man who can be a bit...well kind and odd but in a nice way and also a bit mean in diposition like the First Doctor in DW. He had a mechanical heart like Victor in Space: 1999. He likes the only plants on the planet and has a mechanical bird in a cage that whistles fake music and he has fish. Supposedly after he dies, the fish die or maybe some Fed comes and takes over his home there, who knows? Hopefully Servalan and Travis don't kill them. The death of Ensor was a surprise. I expected him to be saved by Cally and Blake, who prove that heroes don't always win or know what they are doing or saying. Cally thinks he will be allright, asks him to carry the heavy case of Orac with Orac inside with herself and leaves him alone. Blake thinks Travis and Servalan are following them (they're not, they're going back the way they came to cut them off first outside and upside) and tries to bring the roof down. More great Avon/Vila stuff here, including Avon compliementing Vila, when Vila's not there, of course. Darrow is exceptional in this episode.

Why does Ensor tell Cally he didn't believe the Phibians would attack them when it seemed as if he knew they would earlier?

One thing I didn't realize was the man who played Travis hurt his ankle playing...badmitton (?) and badly. It sounds painful. They had to shoot all the scenes of Servalan and Travis in the home of Ensor with only Travis's feet and lower portions being seen and played by someone else! The real actor voiced Travis. It is not really noticable but it is odd to see it and it did look as if they had some technical difficulties.

The monsters are best left unseen. Glimpses make them scarier in true NIGHT STALKER fashion. In fact, KOLCHAK: THE NIGHT STALKER had an ep (THE SENTRY) about a giant lizard/man under a new high rise and pretty much the same results: better left in the darkness and shadows. THE OUTER LIMITS did an episode (TOURIST ATTRACTION) with far too much of the monsters shown...and they look soooo very fake. The tube thing reminds me of something I saw in a Toho Movie MONSTER ZERO.

Then there's the cliffhanger ending. Did BLAKE'S 7 single handedly start cliffhanger endings in the US and the UK???? I know that Dynasty (which also had a main character named Blake and an evil Servalan like biatch as villainess) and other prime time soaps did this regularly but that didn't happen until the very early 80s. Dallas actually had cliffhangers in 1978 and 79 and thereafter so maybe that was first. In any case, surely this B7 season was the first series to have a full cliffhanger for a season ending. Even now, DW hardly had season cliffhangers and in fact, despite guest cast members from DW appearing in B7 as well as props and other such stuff, B7 cannot be any more different DW as DW is to it or to TREK. It was noticed at the time that B7 had more of a purpose, more of a story, more character development, more realism as far as the world went, etc. In short, next to DW, at the time, it looked brilliant especially as DW was starting to go downhill fast.

In any case, Orac stands out as a great addition to the B7 crew with his snide comments, his ability to stun Avon into shock and to make him laugh and to predict...what seemed like the destruction of the entire cast in what could have been seconds away...if they had wanted to end the series...it could have ended right there!

Terry Nation I think or maybe it was fans, sort of link this world to the world Nation's SURVIVORS, an even more bleak show that came before B7 and maybe started the evil Federation of B7 and took place in the past of B7 (or the current 1970something present).

ORAC is a good episode to end on and brings the show further from the first episode. It is an entertaining if flawed episode.

Redemption

Season Two starts...and Terry writes the first episode. Not sure the title makes sense...redemption usually means atoning or making good for something bad but anyway, a good episode. The Liberator looks great inside and out in this episode. The clothes have changed a lot and the haircut of Gan and Cally...in fact that's another thing B7 has in common with Irwin Allen's LAND OF THE GIANTS and LOST IN SPACE. In LOST IN SPACE, the clothes changed mid way through season one and kept mostly (Penny's changed) in season two. Season three had different clothes, too. LAND OF THE GIANTS had the clothes change mid way through season one. Season two had different clothes. Mid way through season two the clothes changed again.

In any case, this gives the show a fresh feel. Orac is just fantastic in this episode. Not sure why the System didn't recognize what it was and dismantle it or use it but they ignored it. The two ladies as part of the System...are DW guest stars I believe, Sheila Ruskin and the other one seem as if they were in Keeper of Traken and Genesis of the Daleks. Again, for some reason, there's a Space: 1999 feel to this episode as well as Lost In Space (the Jupiter taken into a larger spaceship in THE DERELICT and KIDNAPPED IN SPACE). Roy Evans also looks like he is a DW vet. There's plenty of plot here: the prediction of Orac of Liberator's destruction, Liberator turning against the crew and rejecting them, then the crew vanishing one by one (which is also a mainstay of sci fi and Irwin Allen in particular---LOST IN SPACE-SPACE CREATURE, LAND OF THE GIANTS-NIGHTMARE, VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA-SEALED ORDERS and many others) as well as Trek (WINK OF AN EYE, MARK OF GIDEON). It all fits in well and works. Lots of action, too: space battles from start to finish, physical fights, chases, executions, etc.

The System is as bad as the Federation and maybe worse, cold, calculating, sadistic, machine dominated beings...are the two women human? Who knows? I was suspecting Daleks behind the whole thing but in fact, there are three planets around the System's sun and the whole thing is more like a continuation of the movie COLOSSUS THE FORBIN PROJECT (where two machines take over the world for peace and to end the cold war).

Avon gets plenty of great lines, so does Vila. Avon, "What would you like me to do with my other hand." Blake, "I'll let you know!" It's odd too that when the ship shakes and both Avon and Blake fall, Avon has his arm around Blake! Avon also quotes logic at least once. He does seem a bit like Mr. Spock at times, mixed with say, Norman Bates from Psycho. I like how he apologizes to Vila for accidentally hitting him.

In any case, a good episode and fast paced, exciting and interesting. Very fresh feel the episode. I just love Orac, too. he's the hero of this piece.




Shadow

This episode also feels fresh. And even one of the guest stars seems lively and lives to the end. Orac as villain or being taken over is quite a scary idea. If Bec wasn't a druggie why did he look so much like one? I wish we were given more about the background of the pair and Peety and the "she" that Bec mentioned...their mother? The Terra Nostra could well be a good villainous group but I suspected ties to the Federation all along. I don't know that a killer for hire could just kill a top man in the organization, even one being tested that easily but he did have approval of another top man, an old man. B7 does evil old men well.

I'm not sure the girl as Largo's spy sub plot goes anywhere as she touches the heated possessed Orac and dies. I also am not sure the darkness from the other dimension storyline works at all but it's very interesting to watch so it must. In fact, Chris Bocher wrote this episode and despite all the dangling pieces, it feels like a Nation script and is infinitely watchable. And at least Space City and at least one goodie guest star survive.

Of course B7's strongest point is what it always was: the dialog and there's a ton of it in this episode, again, most of it in the sparring between characters, especially Vila and Avon ("She's more human than I am." "That wouldn't be hard to be."Wink but also between Avon and Blake, Avon and Jenna ("It must be the company I keep."Wink, Vila and Cally, and Blake and Jenna ("Some people collect the oddest things""Look what you got."Wink

It's surprising to note that Jenna wonders if Blake cares one way or the other if Cally comes out of her coma. As the end of the last episode states, Blake wants to carry on with his business with the Federations (and Vila moaned, "Oh that again."Wink and here he's beginning to get ruthless, using drug dealers, drug addicts, a bereaving brother in the end and not really wavering. He's also uncaring about the plants even when Cally proves they are life forms...he's willing to let Bec blow up the gardens...so it is part of this show to be disturbing and it is disturbing that the plants protected Cally or helped Orac but Blake is still going to destroy a lot of them to get to the President and the Federation. For all purposes they are a subjacated life form, too and used by the Feds...but let's just blow em up anyway. Lots of action on the planet and in Space City, too.

Glad to see Gan arguing for the moral high road and with anyone for a change. It was interesting to note last ep, when everyone was knocked out, Blake called for Gan, Vila and Cally but didn't mention either Jenna or Avon.

A good episode but very, very strange. Perhaps the strangest one up to now. Again, not the best episode but not the worst and certainly likeable but I'm not sure all teh pieces come together as well as they might have. Oh and Cally's hair seems to get longer when she teleports to the planet and btw why weren't there any defenses where they should have been around that planet?


Weapon

This episode marks the third time Down and Safe is uttered. Last episode was the second time. I think. In any case, this episode is strange. The Clone Masters seem...other worldly and ...unexplained really. Where did they originate from? Are they human? Alien? What are their powers? If they value life why do they cooperate with Servalan who seems to call the female clone master tiresome within ear shot. Also: how does this weapon work? How does it differentiate between victims? How do you reset the range? Why doesn't Servalan just kill Blake, Gan, and Avon? For that matter, a few episodes back, why didn't Blake let Avon kill Travis and Servalan? He certainly wanted to here.

Coser is not really very nice. He's mean, which leads one to wonder why he left with the nice girl Raschel? Lots of Servalan plotting, giving her a really nasty side--even more than usual and more of her interaction with Travis. I almost didn't notice Travis is played by a new man...he's very good, too and his uniform here is good.

Which brings me to...this is the first episode to dress Servalan in outlandish clothing...her collar has to be seen to be believed. It looks like a garden wire and when Travis tries to choke her, he had to delicately grab her neck while avoiding the white Christmas ornament. And she's not alone. Rashel and Coser (who btw is all too trusting of Blake---didn't he think Blake could have been caught or brainwashed?) both have strange neck ornaments and collars. More of this will follow.

The giant monster...what was it? Was that supposed to be the maw of a monster ? The hand? A rock monster? A giant monster? B7's monsters are best hidden in the shadows anyway and best we just hear the roars and moans of it.

Avon has the best lines again. Vila has a very small part here as do Cally and Jenna, but all three get some interaction and lines, especially Vila. Avon's very funn;y in this. As usual. This episode is not bad. It moves along and is fast paced, mostly. Although I did almost fall asleep. But not the fault of the episode. The fact that there is a Blake clone around is strange...but perhaps that's the Blake that dies later on? Hardly likely unless Servalan found a way to get the Imupack or whatever it is called.

Oh and Carnak or whatever that psycho puppet master was is also very funny. I like that he stands up to Servalan...sort of. There's more men that do that later on...but in a more macho way. He's very funny. I like how he gives one of the Fed men the chess game. A handsome man to a handsome man. Odd that.

Orac and Zen continue to impress too. In short the show is in top form but almost every ep has flaws. Speaking of which: Blake clone calls Coser Coser and then enters and says, "Who are you?" Coser then tells the Blake clone his name as if it was never said!
 
Gauda Cheese
Ellen York wrote:

Terminal is one of the episodes that I didn't see when I was watching the show as a kid. We didn't have a VCR then, so I saw the episodes when they were aired, or I was out of luck (yes, I'm dating myself here). So when I watched it last summer, I knew it had to be the episode where the Liberator was destroyed, but not what happened. I spent the entire episode muttering "Avon, you are being an idiot". For an intelligent man, he has some very large blind-spots. And poor Zen! I hate that he didn't get to go out fighting, but was eaten by a space fungus.


Thats the thing. Michelle has remarked on and I agree that there are a lot of senceless deaths in B7. Zen was one of them. Also it just isn't fair how Cally died either.

I think Blake did a number on Avon with one simple line, "I have always trusted you, right from the very beginning" Avon would never admit it, but that admission from Blake always meant a lot to him.
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Gauda Cheese
Chase thanks for adding to the Gift! I enjoyed reading your B7 reviews from the previous forum.

Also I wanted to say that this isn't my thread. If anyone has any stories watching B7 with newbies then please I'd love to read them. I know some of you have already and its been rad.

For me the only bad thing about doing this is that I only have 13 episodes to go. I might post about an audio or two, but yeah the journey is soon ending.

Will Michelle get behind the crew of the Scorpio like I did? Or will she join the ranks of those who think D isn't up to snuff? Exciting times ahead.
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trevor travis
Joe Dredd wrote:

Angry Angel wrote:

Season 3 (when did we start calling it C? Is that the official BBC label?)


As TT mentioned this is how they were designated in the Attwood Programme Guide. I don't know if he invented it or got it from the BBC(*), however I have to agree with you AA that it feels like there has been a sudden change in the way the fans talk about the series. In my experience everyone always used to refer to the series by number. Big Finish however use the A, B, etc designations and that seems to have led to the change in the way everyone is referring to the different series now. It still feels right to me to refer to the first series as S1 rather than 'series A' so I'm sticking with that. (Calling them 'series A' etc sounds a bit cack to me to be honest).



(*) I assume the BBC, thinking of all those Dr. Who stories with designations like BBB or whatever.


It did come from the BBC, not Attwood. Attwood merely copied the BBC convention.

Andrew Pixley also used A,B,C, and D in his two Marvel specials in the mid 1990s.

But really it's up to people to refer to the seasons as is their preference. I prefer the take the official line.
 
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