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 Rewatch- Trial
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| trevor travis |
Posted on 20-07-2010 22:18
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wall1885 wrote: Ms Wooster wrote: Servalan isn't batting an eyelid, is she?!  she never lets us down, cold, ruthless & unfaffable (is that a real word?) For a moment, though, she realises she may have pushed Travis too far... |
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| trevor travis |
Posted on 20-07-2010 22:20
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Ms Wooster wrote: wall1885 wrote: Ms Wooster wrote: wall1885 wrote: oh the irony, Blake would have been rid of Travis if he hadnt attacked Servalan's HQ And then Travis wouldn't have been there to bring on an alien invasion... what alien invasion??? Do you know something I dont  LOLOh sorry- I'm talking about another series. In this one, everyone lives happily ever after- and they destroy the Federation too, in a peaceful way.  And don't forget that Terminal ends with the marriage of Blake & Jenna, which Avon is keeping secret from the rest of the crew. With a very much alive Zen as best man  |
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| Leyos |
Posted on 20-07-2010 22:21
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wall1885 wrote: Ms Wooster wrote: Servalan isn't batting an eyelid, is she?! she never lets us down, cold, ruthless & unfaffable (is that a real word?) That's her strength. Travis gets emotional, and his anger often works against him. |
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| Tyce |
Posted on 20-07-2010 22:23
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Leyos wrote: clareblues1 wrote: This episode also has a commentary attached....if anyone fancies watching that at a future time? It's odd, but have absolutely no memory of ever listening to the commentary for this one. I'm sure I must have listened to it at some point, mustn't I ? *confused* So, yeah, lets do a commentary re-watch, too. Would definately join you for a commentary rewatch if one was happening. I used to have a life.......then I found Horizon! |
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| Tyce |
Posted on 20-07-2010 22:25
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trevor travis wrote: Ms Wooster wrote: wall1885 wrote: Ms Wooster wrote: wall1885 wrote: oh the irony, Blake would have been rid of Travis if he hadnt attacked Servalan's HQ And then Travis wouldn't have been there to bring on an alien invasion... what alien invasion??? Do you know something I dont LOLOh sorry- I'm talking about another series. In this one, everyone lives happily ever after- and they destroy the Federation too, in a peaceful way. And don't forget that Terminal ends with the marriage of Blake & Jenna, which Avon is keeping secret from the rest of the crew. With a very much alive Zen as best man And Avon finds his pot of gold so he too can live happily ever after........ I used to have a life.......then I found Horizon! |
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| Tyce |
Posted on 20-07-2010 22:25
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OK so sorry to love you and leave you but.......
I used to have a life.......then I found Horizon! |
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| Leyos |
Posted on 20-07-2010 22:26
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Tyce wrote: trevor travis wrote: Ms Wooster wrote: wall1885 wrote: Ms Wooster wrote: wall1885 wrote: oh the irony, Blake would have been rid of Travis if he hadnt attacked Servalan's HQ And then Travis wouldn't have been there to bring on an alien invasion... what alien invasion??? Do you know something I dont LOLOh sorry- I'm talking about another series. In this one, everyone lives happily ever after- and they destroy the Federation too, in a peaceful way. And don't forget that Terminal ends with the marriage of Blake & Jenna, which Avon is keeping secret from the rest of the crew. With a very much alive Zen as best man And Avon finds his pot of gold so he too can live happily ever after........ I love the final scene of 'Blake' when Blake and Avon hug. It brings tears to my eyes every time *sniff* |
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| Ms Wooster |
Posted on 20-07-2010 22:33
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Leyos wrote: So, which ep is up next? Let's have this marvel of an episode settle tonight and we can start on the next one tomorrow? trevor travis wrote: Brian Croucher puts in his best performance as Travis here, and arguably (awaits brickbats from SG fans), it's best performance that anyone puts in as Travis. I prefer Stephen Greif's Travis, but only a little bit. Brian Croucher is great too- they are so different, it is hard to even compare them. In all fairness to SG though, he never got as strong a script for Travis as this one. I am sure he would have risen to the occasion! I still love Zil, a well-realised alien creature. Absolutely. By the way, of all my friends to whom I've spoken about B7 and who were too young to remember much of it, it is curious that whatever fragmented memories they do have, Zil is in them. I am leaving you all with a nice photo of one of the true stars of the show tonight.  |
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| trevor travis |
Posted on 20-07-2010 22:36
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Leyos wrote: Tyce wrote: trevor travis wrote: Ms Wooster wrote: wall1885 wrote: Ms Wooster wrote: wall1885 wrote: oh the irony, Blake would have been rid of Travis if he hadnt attacked Servalan's HQ And then Travis wouldn't have been there to bring on an alien invasion... what alien invasion??? Do you know something I dont LOLOh sorry- I'm talking about another series. In this one, everyone lives happily ever after- and they destroy the Federation too, in a peaceful way. And don't forget that Terminal ends with the marriage of Blake & Jenna, which Avon is keeping secret from the rest of the crew. With a very much alive Zen as best man And Avon finds his pot of gold so he too can live happily ever after........ I love the final scene of 'Blake' when Blake and Avon hug. It brings tears to my eyes every time *sniff* And then Blake says to Avon and "And look who's here. It's Jenna, Cally and Travis, who is a reformed charcter since he got a nasty shock from falling down that nuclear reactor thing. Oh, and here's Gan - it turned out he wasn't dead at all, as you can't be killed by a polysterene rock". At which point, Orac reveals he's worked out how to rebuild the Liberator, and they all live happily ever after. |
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| BradPaula |
Posted on 21-07-2010 03:46
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Sorry about dropping out halfway through the episode people, but Orac the computer decided to bump us both off the Horizon site as we were posting simutaneously- must have tried to reroute us through the Helotrix terminal as he did in Traitor, and the Feds found him out! Also, thanks to Diane, the Supreme Commander, for being so quick to help us correct the problem. Will try to stay online next time, Orac willing. Well...it's one anniversary we won't soon forget! -Paula + Brad Sum Non Expendere, Sum Non Plumbeus, Sum Non Progressus |
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| Angry Angel |
Posted on 21-07-2010 15:02
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I haven't read all the previous pages, but I just wanted to say that I was sorry I couldn't join you all last night. My little boy wasn't well (turns out he has a touch of bronchitis) and so I let him sit up with me and watch a film. Anyway, Pres. Solvite wasn't here, so maybe we'll watch it together in the next couple of days and add our thoughts here. |
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| Ms Wooster |
Posted on 21-07-2010 18:08
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Angry Angel wrote: My little boy wasn't well (turns out he has a touch of bronchitis) and so I let him sit up with me and watch a film. I hope he's better today! Would he be entertained by his dad making a Zil impersonation?  |
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| Angry Angel |
Posted on 21-07-2010 18:41
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Ms Wooster wrote: Angry Angel wrote: My little boy wasn't well (turns out he has a touch of bronchitis) and so I let him sit up with me and watch a film. I hope he's better today! Would he be entertained by his dad making a Zil impersonation? Not really, but he's got antibiotics now. I suspect a Zil impersonation would result in one of those 'looks', you know, 'Dad, you are so embarrassing'! |
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| winnie-l |
Posted on 22-07-2010 11:01
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Wall1885 wrote Love this episode, although I prefer the Trial story line to the Blake/Zil one. I've always thougt this sould have been a stand alone Travis trial story I thot the point of it was that there were really several Trials going on: Travis tried by the Federation, Blake in a way being "tried" by himself - berating himself during his time to think on planet, should he give up and let the Fedration continue its oppressive evilness? Quit risking anyone's life? (His conclusion: "Not me. I am not ready to surrender ANYTHING!"); and Blake in a way being "tried" by the crew - they criticise and complain, wonder what to do - stick with him or abandon his Cause... Clareblues1 wrote I wonder where this Zil stuff was filmed? Bamboo there...must be a garden From Horizon Newslettter #30, August 1993, "THE ROUGH GUIDE TO BLAKES 7 LOCATIONS by Fliss Davies, with thanks to Andrew Pixley" Royal Alexandra & Albert School, Merstham: Trial - planet surface I thought this interesting: BLAKE: What is the Host? [Zil waves at everything.] And yet you fear it? ZIL: Resist it. Oneness must resist the Host. BLAKE: But you don't know that it exists. [Snaps on his bracelet] Perhaps you're imagining it. [Chuckles] How do you resist an illusion? I think he gets philosophical about this "illusion" - Zil resists Host which Blake thinks is illusion; Blake resists Federation. Now the Federation exists, you can see it everywhere. It kills people, enslaves, tortures, and destroys them. The question is how do you fight against something so pervasive and overwhelming, that's everywhere around you - like the concept of an oppressive over-force? Zil's answer only reaffirms the tactics Blake has already used - hit, run, hide, stay in small groups, continue to resist in order to survive. Great Episode! |
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| Ms Wooster |
Posted on 22-07-2010 12:14
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winnie-l wrote: Wall1885 wrote Love this episode, although I prefer the Trial story line to the Blake/Zil one. I've always thougt this sould have been a stand alone Travis trial story I thot the point of it was that there were really several Trials going on: Travis tried by the Federation, Blake in a way being "tried" by himself - berating himself during his time to think on planet, should he give up and let the Fedration continue its oppressive evilness? Quit risking anyone's life? (His conclusion: "Not me. I am not ready to surrender ANYTHING!"  ;and Blake in a way being "tried" by the crew - they criticise and complain, wonder what to do - stick with him or abandon his Cause... Clareblues1 wrote I wonder where this Zil stuff was filmed? Bamboo there...must be a garden From Horizon Newslettter #30, August 1993, "THE ROUGH GUIDE TO BLAKES 7 LOCATIONS by Fliss Davies, with thanks to Andrew Pixley" Royal Alexandra & Albert School, Merstham: Trial - planet surface I thought this interesting: BLAKE: What is the Host? [Zil waves at everything.] And yet you fear it? ZIL: Resist it. Oneness must resist the Host. BLAKE: But you don't know that it exists. [Snaps on his bracelet] Perhaps you're imagining it. [Chuckles] How do you resist an illusion? I think he gets philosophical about this "illusion" - Zil resists Host which Blake thinks is illusion; Blake resists Federation. Now the Federation exists, you can see it everywhere. It kills people, enslaves, tortures, and destroys them. The question is how do you fight against something so pervasive and overwhelming, that's everywhere around you - like the concept of an oppressive over-force? Zil's answer only reaffirms the tactics Blake has already used - hit, run, hide, stay in small groups, continue to resist in order to survive. Great Episode! I've always found these exchanges between Blake and Zil very metaphorical and it was great reading your interpretation, winnie-l. It makes sense. Also, thanks for pointing out the location of filming. Has anyone been there? |
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| saba |
Posted on 24-07-2010 23:07
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I'm sorry I missed this rewatch. The Travis scenes are superb. And Zil is one of the characters I remember with some fondness from my first, black and white, viewing back in 1979. I have posted one of the deleted scenes on Xenon. There were a number of fantastic (I think!) scenes that would have made the episode better still - although might just have made it a bit less ambiguous. I picked the one where the Liberator crew muse on Gan's death... |
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| president solvite |
Posted on 26-07-2010 22:38
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Just conducted a rewatch session of Trial, since I was away from my player last week. A very good episode. With Blake feeling the remorse of the loss of Gan. His actions, despite being a dumb thing to do ring true to the character and it seems increasingly clear to me that Blake's actions and motives are indeed genuine and it is not one of delibrate manipulation. I think Blake's assessment of staying to think in his cabin is a sound one. The crew making too much of Blake's actions and motives is reflected here I think by certain members on the discussion boards with their entrenched cynicism towards Blake's character. I suspect the simple honesty in Blake post to the enquiry "are there any messages?" speaks volumes on this matter. In my opinion Vila was spot on in saying that the crew devious minds were making too much of the whole situation. I find it interesting that persons that claim Blake is being manipulative and self pitying are directly aping the words of Avon who is as we all know is a great reader of people and situations. Re Anna and the fiasco of Terminal. What was that Avon also said about persons having a genius for being led?  The Zil alien looks good, considering the time and budget with the exceution of the planet scenes working well with the other scenes on the other threads. The mannerisms are good along with creature struggling to communicate. The secondary plot thread of the Trial is a good one. Brian is superb in his role. The defense speech scene is inspired and the interplay with Servalan as Travis embarks on his life as an outlaw is particularly memorable. This is probably Brian's best moment as Travis and despite being a big fan of SG I doubt that Stephen could have played the courtroom scene as well. Early Travis came across as way too stable, and the reason with the retraining theropists is a good credilble explanation to the decline of the character. Some nice touches and insight with Trooper Parr. In summary a good solid story which sets the scene nicely to the build up to the Season 2 finale 8 / 10 Behold your God, Neil!!  |
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| Angry Angel |
Posted on 26-07-2010 23:11
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Good review PS, I very much enjoyed it too. |
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| Leyos |
Posted on 29-07-2010 23:26
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president solvite wrote: This is probably Brian's best moment as Travis and despite being a big fan of SG I doubt that Stephen could have played the courtroom scene as well. I would love to see how SG would have played those scenes. I think it would have been done equally well, but I don't doubt that it would have been very different. |
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