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1.4 Mirror *Spoilers Thread*
trevor travis
**** WARNING: Please note this thread contains spoilers****
Edited by Spaceship Dispatcher on 15 February 2015 14:41:17
 
trevor travis
Well, well, well. Poor Vila falls into the hands of Travis....
 
BradPaula
I liked this audio. I really liked that they are finally taking Jenna and Cally seriously and having them do things other than mind the teleport and make the tea.

I cannot tell you how much I have been enjoying these full cast audios. Mirror is done so well I could imagine it fitting into the second series with no problems.

Big Finish just seems to go from strength to strength. It was marvelous hearing Brian Croucher reprise his role as Travis again. The extra interviews after the story were a treat and the Paul Darrow blooper was laugh out loud funny! Keep it up, guys. I'm lovin' them. -Paula
Zil: Oneness must resist the Host.
 
Joe Dredd
I got this one recently for my birthday and just started listening to it on the drive home tonight. I'm up to the bit where they've boarded the automated spaceship and have just met a woman. The presence of a human onboard explains why the supposedly unmanned ship has air, gravity and heat but I was surprised at how quickly Avon agreed to teleport over to it without asking Orac if it could support life. The fact that he pretty much just said yes straight away made me think we were going to hear them in spacesuits in the next scene. Maybe he knew that 'unmanned' didn't mean 'unwoman(n)ed'?

I still think it's all a trap. Of course, they can't have a second Orac (unless it only stays for a short run of BF stories) and the Federation can't have one permanently either, and it still reminds me of the fanfic "The Upper Hand" where the crew investigate rumours that the Federation has supplanted the tariel cell with new technology; new and unreadable to Orac. In fact I have a theory about why this is called 'Mirror' - to do with what's happening with Orac - but I'm probably wrong (think: sopron analogue from Ana Dorfstad's "The Pattern of Infinity"). I also suspect there's more to the girl, and that she'll turn out to be Ensor's niece or another protégé like Muller, but again that's because of how I'm thinking what Federac will turn out to be and I imagine that's misleading me. I don't suppose they'll resolve the Federac plot until the sixth (i.e., last) episode of this run.

The idea of a Federation equivalent of Orac has had me thinking about who knew about Ensor's super computer since we learned about it in the first story. I suppose my overall impression from the series proper was that not many people knew about Orac, but I haven't had the time to think about it and recall what was real said. I suppose that, while being a lure to our heroes, calling it Federac would still be just a meaningless name to most.
 
Joe Dredd
Got to the end of this on the drive home tonight. There's a part right at the end where they get back to Liberator and Avon refers to Orac as 'he' a couple of times, as we know he shouldn't. It was a nice surprise to hear Paul Darrow mention the same thing on the track at the end of the disc.

There always seems to be a moment in each of these stories where they borrow a bit of dialogue from the series. This one had the "I knew that!" "No you didn't." "No I didn't." type exchange.
 
Peter Anghelides
Joe Dredd wrote:
There's a part right at the end where they get back to Liberator and Avon refers to Orac as 'he' a couple of times, as we know he shouldn't. It was a nice surprise to hear Paul Darrow mention the same thing on the track at the end of the disc.

Well now, I acknowledge that Avon isn't averse to calling a computer "it". But that doesn't mean he never refers to Orac as "he" or that Avon (rather than Paul Darrow) thinks he shouldn't. Indeed, here's a good example is from his... er... its very first episode:
http://www.youtub...amp;t=3m8s
He means, like Zen, that he requires specific instructions.

Twice in one sentence! What is more, it's not something that Avon subsequently "grows out of" because here he is doing it again as late as in Games:
http://www.youtub...p;t=31m46s
Avon: If Orac is going to get any information out of that machine, this is the way he's going to do it.
Soolin: Who's winning?
Orac: We've both made sacrifices.
Avon: He means that Gambit is.
Orac: A temporary advantage.
Avon: To an inferior computer?
Orac: Which merely disguises my long-term strategy.
Avon: Let's forget your ego for the moment.

Avon is more likely to engage in "banter" with Orac than Zen, or to ponder his/its motivations, even to acknowledge (as we see in that bit from Games) that Orac has an ego. And that makes Avon's first use of "he" (in the episode Orac) even more interesting, because he says it in the phrase "like Zen, he..." And yet elsewhere in Season A, specifically in Cygnus Alpha and Duel, Avon is much more emphatic about Zen being an "it", not a "he", stating explicitly "it's just a machine."

Conversely, though we know characters like Gan and Vila refer to computers as "he" (whether Orac or Zen or Slave), there is this interesting exchange in Shadow about Orac in the context of visitors Hanna and Bek referring to the computer as "it" rather than "he". It also has the effect of distancing Orac from us and the crew, in the context of his/its behaviour during the episode:
http://www.youtub...p;t=41m29s
Hanna: This is silly. It's just a machine.
Vila: Of course it is. if it wasn't so expensive I'd kick it to pieces.
Bek: Yes. If it didn't bite.
Gan: Avon'll fix it when he gets back.

Thus I think that there are occasions on which Avon may choose to call Orac "he" and not "it", particularly if it's in the context of a conversation with someone else using the term and where Avon is not trying to make a point about Orac being a machine. That is the case in Mirror...and indeed, it fits in consciously with one of the themes in this audio series.

I think that using "it" rather than "he" in an audio script is much more emphatic and "making a point," because the drama is driven largely by dialogue between characters, of whom Avon and Orac are two principals. So when I'm writing them, unless it sounds unnatural or awkward, I think my preference is to avoid having Avon use either "he" or "it" when referring to Orac, and thus just writing around the decision about which to use.
Edited by Peter Anghelides on 11 July 2014 00:44:59
Peter Anghelides
anghelides.org
 
Joe Dredd
Hi Peter, it's great to hear your reasons for writing the lines the way you did.

I was aware that Avon sometimes refers to Orac as 'he', which is why I wrote "...as we know he shouldn't" rather than "as we know he doesn't". In my mind it was one of those things that, like Vila being stupid enough to confuse the directions in 'Countdown' was canonical but not something we should look to build on. However I will have to stand corrected on this point because clearly it's part of the Avon-Orac dynamic.

I'm (mostly) enjoying this run of adventures much more than anything beforehand and look forward to giving them a second listen.
 
Peter Anghelides

Hurrah! I enjoy talking about the process. I have blogged about it here:
http://peteranghe...a-machine/
Peter Anghelides
anghelides.org
 
Gauda Cheese
Listening to this now and really enjoying it. Peter you do some really good B7!
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Gauda Cheese
One thing I prefer is Crouchers older voice. It sounds more menacing and believable.
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Lentila
Gauda Cheese wrote:

One thing I prefer is Crouchers older voice. It sounds more menacing and believable.


Yes. I was (and still am) a Travis One fan - but I think Brian Croucher is marvellous in these audios. There's humour and pathos, but some real menace there as well.
 
Gauda Cheese
What a great cliffhanger!
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Lentila
Yes. It's agonising, isn't it? Nooooooo!
 
Gauda Cheese
Lentila wrote:

Yes. It's agonising, isn't it? Nooooooo!


Good thing I never had to wait a month!

I'm going to listen to Cold Fury and Caged today
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Spaceship Dispatcher
Just listened to this and rather enjoyed it, albeit with one or two reservations. The basic premise of the plot was excellent, and was ingenious with being too convoluted; an exception to this comment would however be the very convoluted way that the crew are split up, since Jenna would never leave the ship unmanned. In fact, it was the characterisation of Jenna that was the element that really didn't work for me in this story: I really can't see her being irrational and confrontational like this, or foaming at the mouth over desiring a revenge killing of one particular man. What exactly is he supposed to have done? Nothing else ever provoked even half of this reaction from her on screen. But the raport between Avon, Vila and Blake was great to listen to and Brian Croucher was equally good as Travis; and at the end, Travis turns up unexpectedly and says "did you miss me?"

I love a good Sherlock reference. Grin
Reversing the polarity of the neutron flow. I bet that means something. It sounds great.

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