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 The Season 3 Anniversary Rewatch Session - Terminal
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| Ms Wooster |
Posted on 26-03-2010 08:20
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Yes, as sweevo said- five days left- it's coming to an end that quickly. In more ways than one.  |
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| clareblues1 |
Posted on 26-03-2010 12:30
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Agreed...the end of an era At least Avon's costume is a significant improvement on Death Watch 
Edited by clareblues1 on 26-03-2010 17:49 "The river tells no lies, though standing on the shore, the dishonest man still hears them" Oma Desala |
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| Ms Wooster |
Posted on 28-03-2010 16:03
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I've been sorting out the Bulgarian subtitles of Terminal today- am half way through and chin is already trembling. I was also overcome by a powerful desire to smack Avon behind the ear in the first third of the episode.  I told mother that the episode is so good, I was having goosebumps just going through the text. She asked when we were watching it, I replied "Wednesday." "At least it's not Thursday, like it used to be." she said. Baffled, I enquired what was wrong with Thursday. "It's later than Wednesday." was her succinct reply. I feel I have gone a long way towards achieving one of my new year's resolutions to do with B7. One new soul for the faith signed it, two more to go.  |
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| saba |
Posted on 28-03-2010 17:29
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I find Terminal almost too bad to think about. I hesitate to say painful about something that's only a TV programme - but - okay - painful. And agreed about wanting to smack Avon behind the head - and smack everyone else for not smacking Avon. I wonder what Jenna would have made of it? Would it be the VFTP Jenna who rolled her eyes and shrugged in a "you tell me what he's up to?" sort of way whilst going with the majority - or was that sort of thing reserved for only Blake? Or would it have been the Breakdown Jenna (I like to think) who said she was flying this ship even if it went into a flat spin - and Avon was welcome to stay with her or get off the flight deck? |
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| clareblues1 |
Posted on 28-03-2010 17:47
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Agreed...some very interesting points there. Tarrant is the only one who does challenge Avon. The others keep out of his way. No doubt sensibly given Avon's ultimate reaction to the aforementioned challenge!
"The river tells no lies, though standing on the shore, the dishonest man still hears them" Oma Desala |
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| clareblues1 |
Posted on 28-03-2010 17:48
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On a humorous note, we do get to see Cally and Tarrant in the bushes!! LOL
"The river tells no lies, though standing on the shore, the dishonest man still hears them" Oma Desala |
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| sweevo |
Posted on 28-03-2010 18:50
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I'm compiling a few (selected) lines from the episode into Italian, if you're interested.  |
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| president solvite |
Posted on 28-03-2010 19:30
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Yes please
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| trevor travis |
Posted on 28-03-2010 19:50
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"Terminal" is a great episode, but also a very sad one. It's the end of an era. And the last episode of B7 for a whopping 17 months, which is how long we have to wait until the "Rescue" rewatch.   Anyone else fancy a sneaky 29th anniversary S4 rewatch from September. 
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| trevor travis |
Posted on 28-03-2010 20:08
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So it's almost 30 years since I first watched "Terminal". As I've hinted a couple of times during the rewatch of other episodes, I was 6 at the time of the original transmission of S3 and it was the first season of B7 I saw. I watched the episodes with my dad. However, for "Terminal", my dad was away (can't recall where). It was the days before videos, so the only way to watch the programme was on the night. For "Terminal", I watched the episode with my mum (who wasn't interested in it), and it was my job to let my dad know what happened. I got it slightly wrong. I told him Zen was dead - correct. I told him the Liberator was no more - correct. I told him Servalan was apparently dead - correct on the information presented in the episode. And I told him Blake had been found and was back with the rest of the crew... whoops. I think I was so upset by the death of Zen, that I didn't watch the rest of the episode properly and missed Servalan telling Avon that the Blake he saw wasn't real. And I suppose it was because I didn't really care that much about Blake, having not seen S1 or S2. It was the same with "Blake" really - when Avon gunned down Blake, it was "so what, I didn't know him anyway", but then when Dayna, Vila, Soolin and Tarrant were shot, I was horrified. |
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| sweevo |
Posted on 28-03-2010 20:14
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Here are some of the lines translated into Italian English --------- AVON Are you going to tell me about this wonderful discovery that will make us rich - beyond our wildest dreams? BLAKE I will take you to it. AVON After I have gotten you out of this mess? Just like old times? BLAKE No, it's not that easy. If I'm taken off this... life support system... I won't be able to survive for more than 3 or 4 hours. AVON We'll have it duplicated on the Liberator. BLAKE No. I won't survive the teleport transfer. They tell me it'll be at least 3 months before I can walk again. Italian -------- AVON Mi vuoi dire di questa grande scoperta che ci farrá diventare ricchi? BLAKE Ti porteró alla scoperta. AVON Dopo che ti ho tirato fuori da questo pasticcio? Come i tempi vecchi? BLAKE No, non é cosí facile. Se vengo staccato da questa macchina di supporto vitale, non potró sopravvivere per piú di 3, forse 4 ore. AVON Avremo l'equipaggiamento duplicato sulla Liberator. BLAKE No. Non sopravviveró il processo di teletrasporto. Tell me what you think |
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| Ms Wooster |
Posted on 28-03-2010 21:35
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sweevo,thanks for that- I studied Italian for some time when I was young (which was in the last century in more than one way) and was thrilled I was able to understand so much of your translation. So Blake won't be able to survive the process of teletrasporto. I'm not surprised!  |
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| Ms Wooster |
Posted on 28-03-2010 21:52
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trevor travis wrote: So it's almost 30 years since I first watched "Terminal". As I've hinted a couple of times during the rewatch of other episodes, I was 6 at the time of the original transmission of S3 and it was the first season of B7 I saw. I watched the episodes with my dad. However, for "Terminal", my dad was away (can't recall where). It was the days before videos, so the only way to watch the programme was on the night. For "Terminal", I watched the episode with my mum (who wasn't interested in it), and it was my job to let my dad know what happened. I got it slightly wrong. I told him Zen was dead - correct. I told him the Liberator was no more - correct. I told him Servalan was apparently dead - correct on the information presented in the episode. And I told him Blake had been found and was back with the rest of the crew... whoops. I think I was so upset by the death of Zen, that I didn't watch the rest of the episode properly and missed Servalan telling Avon that the Blake he saw wasn't real. And I suppose it was because I didn't really care that much about Blake, having not seen S1 or S2. It was the same with "Blake" really - when Avon gunned down Blake, it was "so what, I didn't know him anyway", but then when Dayna, Vila, Soolin and Tarrant were shot, I was horrified. That's a great story! I love reading people's memories about the first time they saw the series or an episode, no matter when that first time occured. Your story is fascinating, especially for someone like myself, who, until five years ago, didn't know who the hell Tarrant was. Or Dayna. I saw only S1 and S2 as a child and rejected the faint rumour that there were adventures of a new Liberator's crew post-Star One, as immaterial. I didn't care much about any new characters. I was slightly older at the time, about 11-12- but for you, at 6, I can quite imagine how you'd get Blake's fate wrong at the end of Terminal. Who's Blake?! Had your father seen the previous seasons? And I gather that just like I've seen and embraced all characters of B7, but still favour the original crew, for you a crew with Avon at the front would always remain a sort of personal default. Speaking of reporting the events of Terminal to parents...I am terribly tempted to take a leaf out of your book and repeat your summary of the episode to my own B7 watching parent- dear mother. It gives some hope with Servalan dead and Blake real and back with the crew- at least for a better version of some episodes of S4! |
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| trevor travis |
Posted on 28-03-2010 22:17
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Ms Wooster wrote: That's a great story! I love reading people's memories about the first time they saw the series or an episode, no matter when that first time occured. Your story is fascinating, especially for someone like myself, who, until five years ago, didn't know who the hell Tarrant was. Or Dayna. I saw only S1 and S2 as a child and rejected the faint rumour that there were adventures of a new Liberator's crew post-Star One, as immaterial. I didn't care much about any new characters. I was slightly older at the time, about 11-12- but for you, at 6, I can quite imagine how you'd get Blake's fate wrong at the end of Terminal. Who's Blake?! Had your father seen the previous seasons? And I gather that just like I've seen and embraced all characters of B7, but still favour the original crew, for you a crew with Avon at the front would always remain a sort of personal default. Ms Wooster, so our watching of the original transmission of B7 are almost polar opposites. Of course, such things go a long way to explaining people's preferences. I'm quite unusual in that if pressed for my second favourite season of B7 (S3 is by far my favourite), I would plump for S4 just ahead of S1 & S2. I do like the whole of B7, but yes my preference is towards the latter half, that I saw over a decade before the earlier half. I think my dad may have watched the very odd episode from S1 & S2, but he hadn't been a regular viewer. My babysitter was a regular viewer from the off - before the programme guide, nearly all my information on early B7 was gleaned from my babysitter.  Ms Wooster wrote: Speaking of reporting the events of Terminal to parents...I am terribly tempted to take a leaf out of your book and repeat your summary of the episode to my own B7 watching parent- dear mother. It gives some hope with Servalan dead and Blake real and back with the crew- at least for a better version of some episodes of S4! Yep, that might work. But I'm not sure how you're then going to explain Blake's absence when it comes around to the S4 rewatch.
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| sweevo |
Posted on 28-03-2010 22:30
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I'm glad you liked it, Ms Wooster. One day when I have the time (and patience), I might just dub B7 into Italian |
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| saba |
Posted on 28-03-2010 23:13
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trevor travis wrote: So it's almost 30 years since I first watched "Terminal". As I've hinted a couple of times during the rewatch of other episodes, I was 6 at the time of the original transmission of S3 and it was the first season of B7 I saw. I watched the episodes with my dad. However, for "Terminal", my dad was away (can't recall where). It was the days before videos, so the only way to watch the programme was on the night. For "Terminal", I watched the episode with my mum (who wasn't interested in it), and it was my job to let my dad know what happened. I got it slightly wrong. I told him Zen was dead - correct. I told him the Liberator was no more - correct. I told him Servalan was apparently dead - correct on the information presented in the episode. And I told him Blake had been found and was back with the rest of the crew... whoops. I think I was so upset by the death of Zen, that I didn't watch the rest of the episode properly and missed Servalan telling Avon that the Blake he saw wasn't real. And I suppose it was because I didn't really care that much about Blake, having not seen S1 or S2. It was the same with "Blake" really - when Avon gunned down Blake, it was "so what, I didn't know him anyway", but then when Dayna, Vila, Soolin and Tarrant were shot, I was horrified. Big grin here whilst reading that, Trevor Travis! I love the way we all see these things so differently. I spent all of Series 3, first time round, waiting for Blake to take command of the Liberator again - to my 13 year old brain, having heard in the media that Gareth Thomas would be involved with Series 3, this meant nothing less. So - I'm with Ms_Wooster's mother there. No matter how good the episode, the end sees me asking, "so when are Blake and Jenna coming back then?" Whereas you're enjoying watching the "real" crew. But in terms of what sticks in our young minds... I wrote on the old forum that I saw the episode Blake when I was 15 and then not at all again until a couple of years ago. (At 15, you understand, I was developing other interests...) And what I remembered was that it was all Tarrant's fault that Blake died. And I expect to be lynched by Avon fans for confessing that I mis-remembered that Tarrant, and not Avon, had shot Blake. In my defence - I couldn't get my head round the different Avon of S4 and felt the earlier Avon was still in there. And this was the Avon who sniped a lot about Blake, but when the chips were down would always bail him out. So the idea that he'd shoot him down in cold blood was just beyond belief. Whereas Tarrant - well he didn't understand and was very hot headed. Unlike Avon - who understood everything and was never impulsive. Your Dad must have had a bit of a shock, 18 months later....? |
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| trevor travis |
Posted on 28-03-2010 23:29
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saba wrote: Your Dad must have had a bit of a shock, 18 months later....? Fortunately, there was the repeat season of eight S3 episodes during the summer of 1981, which included "Terminal". It was at this point, my dad and myself realised I'd got it a bit wrong.
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| trevor travis |
Posted on 28-03-2010 23:59
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saba wrote: But in terms of what sticks in our young minds... I wrote on the old forum that I saw the episode Blake when I was 15 and then not at all again until a couple of years ago. (At 15, you understand, I was developing other interests...) And what I remembered was that it was all Tarrant's fault that Blake died. And I expect to be lynched by Avon fans for confessing that I mis-remembered that Tarrant, and not Avon, had shot Blake. I could remember that final scene well enough to know that Tony Attwood had got the order in which the Scorpio crew were shot the wrong way around in the Programme Guide. When reading the Programme Guide for the first time, it was "Nope, that's wrong, it's Dayna first, then Vila then Soolin then Tarrant." I've still got the Programme Guide somewhere, it's very yellow and worn, from being read so many times. We didn't get a video recorder until fairly late on, so for around six years, the Programme Guide was my guide to the world of B7. The photos in the Programme Guide were my only clue to what Gan & Jenna looked like. I remember the episodes I really wanted to watch from the opening two series were "Star One", "Gambit" and "Duel", they sounded like really good episodes. Edited by trevor travis on 29-03-2010 00:09 |
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| saba |
Posted on 29-03-2010 00:09
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Did they live up to expectations? (I know this is a tad off topic, but it's late.) |
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| trevor travis |
Posted on 29-03-2010 00:19
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saba wrote: Did they live up to expectations? (I know this is a tad off topic, but it's late. )Saba, I think so. I was a penniless student around the time that the unedited episodes were released. So instead I bought the edited episodes off a friend of my brothers for a knockdown price, since he was upgrading to the unedited episodes. So I saw "Duel" for the first time at this point. It's a good episode, but the following "Project Avalon" was just a little bit better. I then got a job during the holidays and started to buy the unedited episodes. The tapes including "Star One" and "Gambit" were amongst the first I went for. And "Star One" became my favourite episode of B7, until I learned to love "Blake" and that overtook it. |
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