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 Do Blakes 7 & Doctor Who occupy the same universe?
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| Henry Eggleton |
Posted on 05-02-2010 23:00
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In the Whoneverse the Earth is invaded and attacked so many times it is possible that they had an initial burst of colonisation and had teleport, then a catstrophy occurred in which teleportaion is lost and a second wave of colonisation and conquest takes place. Remember B7 is set at least 750/800 years from the twentieth century many Who stories take place before this time. I could theorise that after the Dalek Invasion of Earth teleport was lost and vast areas of the Earth had become uninhabitable this led to the Domes being built and the rise of the Federation we see in B7 I'd also point out that in the Whoneverse many futures have an Earth Empire every bit as bad as the Federation |
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| Tarrant On TV |
Posted on 06-02-2010 18:29
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Henry Eggleton wrote: In the Whoneverse the Earth is invaded and attacked so many times it is possible that they had an initial burst of colonisation and had teleport, then a catstrophy occurred in which teleportaion is lost and a second wave of colonisation and conquest takes place. Remember B7 is set at least 750/800 years from the twentieth century many Who stories take place before this time. I could theorise that after the Dalek Invasion of Earth teleport was lost and vast areas of the Earth had become uninhabitable this led to the Domes being built and the rise of the Federation we see in B7 I'd also point out that in the Whoneverse many futures have an Earth Empire every bit as bad as the Federation That's a reasonable theory. It might also explain why the System turn out to be humans but are not known about by the Federation, if they are some lost tribe of Earth that retained teleport technology. I really ought to read some of these novels which cross the two over. I also need to familiarise myself a bit more with the Whoniverse in general as my knowledge of Doctor Who is quite patchy. I have various videos all from different eras of the show so there's lots of gaps there to fill. Am I right in thinking the Earth Empire was first introduced during the Pertwee era. |
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| Henry Eggleton |
Posted on 07-02-2010 00:38
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It was certainly seen several time during Johns time , not sure if it had been mentioned though in Patricks time |
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| president solvite |
Posted on 07-02-2010 08:26
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In the Dalek's Master Plan, Earth has some kind of Confederation in the form of the 'Solar System'.. Pat Troughton's Enemy of the World also describes a situation almost akin of a planetary govt. Which could be an earlier form of the govt. described in Masterplan. Both concepts could be been the forerunner of a more expansive Empire/Federation mentioned (several times) in the JP era. Behold your God, Neil!!  |
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| trevor travis |
Posted on 09-02-2010 21:39
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I voted yes, because there are several semi-official crossovers, such as the Chris Boucher's Corpse Marker Doctor Who novel, which was published by the BBC and featured Carnell. Also I very much like the Kaldor City audio series, which again features characters from both series, including Paul Darrow as the man who killed the Butcher Of Zircaster... I wonder who that can be.  In Doctor Who, it's clear that the future of mankind has highs and lows. B7 is set during one of the lows. And the clincher is that both series were filmed in the same quarry.  |
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| Tarrant On TV |
Posted on 13-02-2010 18:37
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I don't suppose anybody knows for sure, but was Terry Nation's plan to have the Daleks invade the galaxy in 'Star One' intended to establish a continuity between Doctor Who and Blake's 7 or were the audience simply to assume that the two series were seperate and just happened to both feature Daleks? |
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| saba |
Posted on 13-02-2010 21:23
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Tarrant On TV wrote: I don't suppose anybody knows for sure, but was Terry Nation's plan to have the Daleks invade the galaxy in 'Star One' intended to establish a continuity between Doctor Who and Blake's 7 or were the audience simply to assume that the two series were seperate and just happened to both feature Daleks? I don't know - I'd assumed that he just liked the Daleks and saw them as the ultimate enemy. And I'm sure we all know the story that Gareth Thomas and Tom Baker both wanted Blake and the Doctor to acknoweldge each other in passing, but the BBC said no. Mind you, I don't know that the BBC's view had anything to do with the universe they were supposed to be in. "...before I can live with other folks I've got to live with myself. The one thing that doesn't abide by majority rule is a person's conscience." Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird |
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| Tarrant On TV |
Posted on 14-02-2010 17:04
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saba wrote: Tarrant On TV wrote: I don't suppose anybody knows for sure, but was Terry Nation's plan to have the Daleks invade the galaxy in 'Star One' intended to establish a continuity between Doctor Who and Blake's 7 or were the audience simply to assume that the two series were seperate and just happened to both feature Daleks? I don't know - I'd assumed that he just liked the Daleks and saw them as the ultimate enemy. And I'm sure we all know the story that Gareth Thomas and Tom Baker both wanted Blake and the Doctor to acknoweldge each other in passing, but the BBC said no. Mind you, I don't know that the BBC's view had anything to do with the universe they were supposed to be in. It might have gone someway toward explaining the existence of the infamous galactic minefield, if the enemy was an alien that had invaded the galaxy before and it was an enemy driven out of the galaxy by an alliance of races. I guess as the idea was ultimately vetoed it is something of a non-issue, though it does shed some light on the logic of that script. |
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| Kerkevik |
Posted on 14-02-2010 19:29
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Hi, I've voted no, but that certainly doesn't preclude any crossovers and, of course, the good Doctors have entered, created & interfered in so many universes and timelines, that one could easily turn up at any time. Being active in the Buffy the Vampire Slayer 'verse it's hard to avoid crossovers, especially where an actor has appeared in more than one show. It's hard to find ones that work though. Though I have seen some successful ones, some even leading to fan-created 'verses of their own and, just because I can't see that happening in this case, doesn't mean that someone can't do it. Ray. |
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| Tarrant On TV |
Posted on 17-02-2010 19:49
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I was wondering today: Was there an established date in the Whoniverse for when FTL travel was discovered by Earth? I'm just considering the 700 year figure given in 'Killer' by Blake. My knowledge of Doctor Who is patchy like I said, but as I recall, 'Earthshock' was set in the 26th Century placing it too early for the Earth to be ruled by the Federation. 'Terror Of The Vervoids' was set in the 31st Century placing it either too early or too late for the Federation given as the Gregorian calendar is in use, so either the New Calendar has yet to be put into force or the Gregorian calendar has been brought back. |
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| Henry Eggleton |
Posted on 17-02-2010 21:56
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Didn't the Waters of Mars state the first FTL flight was some time in the 22nd century? |
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| Tarrant On TV |
Posted on 18-02-2010 15:39
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Henry Eggleton wrote: Didn't the Waters of Mars state the first FTL flight was some time in the 22nd century? So that would slot Blake's 7 into the 29th Century of the Gregorian Calendar then. The Federation would have to have put the New Calendar into force around the 27th Century to tie in with the dialogue in 'Pressure Point'. The logical explanation for 'Terror Of The Vervoids' is that the Federation had fallen or been taken over by a more benevolent administration and the Gregorian Calendar had been brought back into effect. Are there any Doctor Who stories that would contradict that theory? ie. Any Doctor Who stories set between the 27th and 29th Centuries where there's clearly no Federation? |
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| trevor travis |
Posted on 18-02-2010 18:59
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Blake's got his dates wrong. In my mind, B7 takes places tens of thousands of years into the future. Mankind has spread all acorss the galaxy - there are hints that all humanoid life (including those from Auron) originates from the Earth. |
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| Tarrant On TV |
Posted on 18-02-2010 23:55
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trevor travis wrote: Blake's got his dates wrong. In my mind, B7 takes places tens of thousands of years into the future. Mankind has spread all acorss the galaxy - there are hints that all humanoid life (including those from Auron) originates from the Earth. If that's the case then Blake has not merely got his dates wrong, but got them radically wrong. I think the human race would evolve a lot more over a period of tens of thousands of years, not merely in terms of technology, but also in terms of language and so on. I'm not sure if the notion of the New Calandar was a deliberate way of keeping the time period of Blake's 7 ambiguous or not, though there's a number of hints that it was. |
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| president solvite |
Posted on 19-02-2010 18:31
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I agree take Herbert's Dune sequence as an example.
Behold your God, Neil!! |
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| trevor travis |
Posted on 19-02-2010 18:59
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Well B7 must be at least three thousand years in the future, as that's how long the Keezarnians have been waiting in CATEOTW, and the Keezarnians definitely seem to be of human origin. |
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| Tarrant On TV |
Posted on 20-02-2010 18:47
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trevor travis wrote: Well B7 must be at least three thousand years in the future, as that's how long the Keezarnians have been waiting in CATEOTW, and the Keezarnians definitely seem to be of human origin. In Doctor Who though, humanoid life is said to have evolved completely seperately from humanity. One explanation I heard for this was that the Time Lords deliberately guided evolution so lots of races would look like them. I'm not sure what the notion was with Blake's 7. Depending on the episode, the Auronar are either a completely alien race or a cousin species of humanity. I did once ponder the theory that the various humanoid races in Blake's 7 were the result of alien abductions from Earth throughout history, possibly by races such as "the Gods" referred to in 'Dawn Of The Gods' or if the Doctor Who crossover is to be entertained, then perhaps the Time Lords. |
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| trevor travis |
Posted on 20-02-2010 19:29
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Tarrant On TV wrote: I'm not sure what the notion was with Blake's 7. I can't remember the episode but I think there is an exchange: "It's a well known fact all life orginated from Earth" "It's a well known opinion, actually" Can anyone help pin this quote down. In any case, I reckon all humanoid life must originate from Earth. It's too much of a coincidence for two races to evolve in exactly the same way. In the case of Auron, Cally quite often refers to herself as human - suggesting that her race does have human origins. Truly alien species must be completely alien - and there's hardly any of those in B7 at all. |
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| Henry Eggleton |
Posted on 20-02-2010 21:52
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I can't remember the episode but I think there is an exchange: "It's a well known fact all life orginated from Earth" "It's a well known opinion, actually" Can anyone help pin this quote down. It's Traitor |
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| trevor travis |
Posted on 21-02-2010 11:01
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Henry Eggleton wrote: It's Traitor Thanks |
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