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Random Rewatch - D11 Orbit
sooper mouse
trevor travis wrote:

sooper mouse wrote:
He didn't ask Orac how they could lose the weight. He asked What weighs 70 kilos.


Exactly. The wrong question. The right question would have been: "Where on this shuttle is there weight where there shouldn't be?".

Orac is a very sophisticated computer, but still a computer. Avon gave Orac the wrong problem to solve. And what's Avon specialist subject? Computers. Whoops.

As for Soolin, if she wasn't around, Avon would have died in embarrassing circumstances in "Assassin". Wink She's often described as a 'female Avon', but I think she actually has far more common sense than he does, and also far less ego. Although it would make far less dramatic television if Soolin was in charge, because she wouldn't be making mistakes week after week after week, like Avon does in the final season.


hindsight is always 20/20 but as I have stated before it is highly illogical to assume that "character not seeing into the future or what the spectator sees is a failure of said character".
nope.
Because the answer to "what weighs 70 kilos" was also "the cube of clear plastic" in the bay.
The fact that Orac doesn't means that he doesn't perceive it as such.
How do we know? because VIla weighs 73 kilos.
Which means Orac took the query as "what weight 70+" kilos.
Now there is a discussion to be have as to what exactly external sensors does Orac possess- since we know at times Orac needs to use Zen's, this means that his own external sensors are limited.

Orac is a computer- he can only operate with available information. The fact he didn't provide it means that it wasn't available to him. You can't pin this on Avon, much as you'd like to.

If Soolin was capable of leadership or complex planning she wouldn't have been stuck with Dorian, and while there she'd have at least figured out what was wrong with that basement. She was there alone for long enough, and since intelligence and curiosity intertwine, surely if her instincts/intelligence were high she'd have investigated everything about that base.
I have concluded that Jenna is Blake-aware, Blake is Avon-aware, Avon is self-aware and Gan is rarely aware. Vila is merely wary. Cally is frequently more away than aware.
 
Anniew
I think the reason Avon doesn't ask the right question is because it's a panicked, spur of the moment thing as is his decision to air lock Vila.

In the same way Blake is panicked into not giving the right answers in Blake!

It's why I love the series so much....all the time we see the characters acting in a messy, imperfect, human way... such a difference to Star Trek where they are all super humanly brave, clever, astute, noble. It gives the show it's bite, poignancy and room for debate.
Just because I can't sing doesn't mean I won't.
 
sooper mouse
Anniew wrote:

I think the reason Avon doesn't ask the right question is because it's a panicked, spur of the moment thing as is his decision to air lock Vila.

In the same way Blake is panicked into not giving the right answers in Blake!

It's why I love the series so much....all the time we see the characters acting in a messy, imperfect, human way... such a difference to Star Trek where they are all super humanly brave, clever, astute, noble. It gives the show it's bite, poignancy and room for debate.


Avon didn't ask the wrong question, Orac gave the wrong answer.

And Blake isn't panicked in 'Blake'. He's just taking Avon for granted because he can't possibly be bothered about offering a little bit of reassurance.
I have concluded that Jenna is Blake-aware, Blake is Avon-aware, Avon is self-aware and Gan is rarely aware. Vila is merely wary. Cally is frequently more away than aware.
 
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