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Cally
Spaceresearcher
For discussion on this very interesting character.
 
Spaceresearcher
I'd always hoped Cally was not really dead when I saw that terrible fate filled episode highlighting her demise.

Cally to me was one of the main glue points of the group. She could sense thoughts and true feelings which is possibly why she was the most relaxed of the crew.
Edited by Spaceresearcher on 18 February 2014 03:43:19
 
JustBrad
It is at times like this (Cally's death, Jenna's death) that I like to quote Mythbusters. "I reject your reality and substitute my own."
 
Travisina
JustBrad wrote:

It is at times like this (Cally's death, Jenna's death) that I like to quote Mythbusters. "I reject your reality and substitute my own."


Not to mention everybody else's death... Angry

I love that Mythbusters quote - in fact, I used it in my sig for a while on the old board.
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Spaceresearcher
I often wonder what Terry Nation had in mind to bring them all back. His goal was always 'never kill off your heroes'.
 
Grade Four Ignorant
Cally for me was a great character who was sadly underused on the show.

Cally should have been sent out on more missions than she did. She should have been Blake's first choice when putting together his team to raid Central Control or to help him with the resistance group on Albian.

In Season B alone she has a run of six episodes - Pressure Point to Voice from the Past - where she doesn't even leave Liberator. For a supposedly deadly guerilla fighter, she doesn't get an onscreen kill until City at the Edge of the World.
 
Spaceresearcher
Grade Four Ignorant wrote:

Cally for me was a great character who was sadly underused on the show.

Cally should have been sent out on more missions than she did. She should have been Blake's first choice when putting together his team to raid Central Control or to help him with the resistance group on Albian.

In Season B alone she has a run of six episodes - Pressure Point to Voice from the Past - where she doesn't even leave Liberator. For a supposedly deadly guerilla fighter, she doesn't get an onscreen kill until City at the Edge of the World.


Totally agree on all points Grade Four Ignorant.
 
JustBrad
Grade Four Ignorant wrote:

Cally for me was a great character who was sadly underused on the show.

[/b].


That can be said for any female character who isn't named Servalan.
 
Grade Four Ignorant
Not to derail this thread, but I'd say that Servalan becomes overused eventually. Half the scripts in Season C don't need her, and I'd have been happier if she didn't appear in Season D at all. Or, if she did, limit her appearance to Blake.
 
Spaceresearcher
JustBrad wrote:

Grade Four Ignorant wrote:

Cally for me was a great character who was sadly underused on the show.

[/b].


That can be said for any female character who isn't named Servalan.


I'm glad some people think so.
 
Spaceresearcher
Grade Four Ignorant wrote:

Not to derail this thread, but I'd say that Servalan becomes overused eventually. Half the scripts in Season C don't need her, and I'd have been happier if she didn't appear in Season D at all. Or, if she did, limit her appearance to Blake.


Oh dear.... Jacqueline Pearce wouldn't like to hear you say that. Just check out the interviews I discovered on youtube in the Jacqueline Pearce thread.
Add to that, I felt there wasn't enough Servalan in Season D. As the remnants of the federation was merging into a new power(and powerful it would become if Servalan was involved), Servalan seemed a critical and vital part of the story for me.

One thing about Season D for me, is that the final episode 'Blake' was not good enough for an ending. For me, looking at it now, it just feels like a cop out on behalf of the BBC to end the series once and for all, which is a crying shame. I'm sure it would have been even better had a Season E(is it a UK thing to name seasons A,B,C etc and a US thing to name seasons 1,2,3...?), been commissioned. At the time Blakes 7 had really grown in popularity and it seems like there was absolutely no sense in cancelling the series.

Add to all this, had a Season E, 5 etc come about, then perhaps... perhaps CALLY might have made a return to the show.
 
Vanessa Doffenshmirtz
Spaceresearcher wrote:

Grade Four Ignorant wrote:

Cally for me was a great character who was sadly underused on the show.

Cally should have been sent out on more missions than she did. She should have been Blake's first choice when putting together his team to raid Central Control or to help him with the resistance group on Albian.

In Season B alone she has a run of six episodes - Pressure Point to Voice from the Past - where she doesn't even leave Liberator. For a supposedly deadly guerilla fighter, she doesn't get an onscreen kill until City at the Edge of the World.


Totally agree on all points Grade Four Ignorant.


Cally wasn't a fighter though, she "was in communications". She was certainly able to look after herself to some degree except that Blake was able to throw her easily in Time Squad but she never really showed much in the way of being a guerilla fighter.
I used to be such a sweet sweet thing
Till they got a hold of me.
 
Spaceresearcher
Personally I always felt her telepathic abilities were under used.
 
JustBrad
Spaceresearcher wrote:

Personally I always felt her telepathic abilities were under used.


Indeed, she was only telepathic when the plot needed a telepath, just as Liberator's defense mechanism worked or didn't depending on which was more dramatic.
 
JannaKalderash
Uh, I always had the impression that she started off as a guerilla fighter on Saurian Major, and gradually ended up being wussified for whatever reason, and finally dying on Terminal. She definitely could have kicked the backside of any of the males, who, let's face it, were not trained to fight, except for what they picked up over time.

She was DEFINITELY underused in Season C, except for the episode 'Sarcophagus', and even THEN, it was a lich that tried to absorb her life force in order to go back to its planet of origin. One of the scariest episodes, actually, as the threat of her death is very real, as is the depth of her loneliness from the collective deaths of her race.

Although, from what was said in 'Children of Auron', it was implied that Cally and Zelda were only two of an entire sibling batch. How many siblings constitute a batch? How many times can you clone someone without the DNA eroding (remember that Michael Keaton movie? One of his clones was referred to as 'Rain Man' because he was a clone of a clone.)

In some of my story ideas, I posited that there were six girls in that batch, all with VASTLY different personality types.

Tara-math geek and techno wiz a la Jane Foster from the Thor movie.

Tanya-idea girl. Thinks in a corkscrew, not a straight line. Has crazy ideas, but they work.

Lydia-security specialist. Knows how to set up security systems in record time, and is suspected of being a jewel thief. She's also having a flirt off with a cop descended from Steve McGarrett.

Arielle- pilot, smuggler, smartmouth, flirt, and doesn't take any type of malarkey from anyone. Often referred to by her sisters as "Belligerent Big-Mouth", "Rotten PITA", and "Oh no! It's HER!"

Zelda-girly-girl that enjoyed playing with dolls, and went to work in the Life Center.

Cally-tomboy toughie that was always scrapping with other kids if her sisters weren't available.

Imagine if the Scorpio crew were to meet up with either Lydia or Arielle in the never filmed Season E? Either one would have them all tied up in knots.

Lydia because she ripped them all off, and Arielle because she is bossy. She's also capable of making Avon scream like a Siamese cat on a backyard fence if she were to put her mind to it.

And the whole telepathy thing was poorly written. In most fiction, fully functioning telepaths aren't simply senders or receivers, they are both. Depending upon the level of sensitivity, a telepath can receive from as far away as the next continent or across the room.

I don't want to mix genres, but look at Professor Xavier. He is the most powerful psi of his generation on the planet, and at one time was capable of influencing just about EVERY mind on the planet (with the help of Cerebro).

That sort of writing seems a bit sloppy to me.
 
Travisina
JannaKalderash wrote:

Although, from what was said in 'Children of Auron', it was implied that Cally and Zelda were only two of an entire sibling batch. How many siblings constitute a batch?

It's interesting you should say that. The writer Marc Platt uses that idea in the audio dramas he wrote for B7 Media (Cally - the Early Years) and Big Finish (the Liberator Chronicles story Sea of Iron), only he goes a lot further. Sea of Iron describes "Thousands of sisters, young and old, generations of Callys telepathic blood kin..."

I don't actually agree with his view, but your suggestion of a batch of clones makes more sense, just as we see a batch of Servalans being prepared. That said, none of the other characters we see in Children of Auron seem to have clone siblings, so I get the impression it was still a bit experimental.

As for the telepathy - as Big Finish producer Cavan Scott said in his interview, the B7 writers just used the telepathy to do whatever they needed it to in any particular episode. It was never properly defined, and there are a lot of inconsistencies throughout the series.
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trevor travis
I completely discount Sea Of Iron, as it's clearly supposed to be a script for B7 Media, not the Liberator Chronicles.

According to Sea Of Iron, all the Cally clones are called Cally; but directly contradicts "Children Of Auron" where Cally's clone is called Zelda.

I wish they'd stop using Marc Platt for B7, because he has no understanding of B7 at all - keep him on the DW range.
 
JannaKalderash
trevor travis wrote:

I completely discount Sea Of Iron, as it's clearly supposed to be a script for B7 Media, not the Liberator Chronicles.

According to Sea Of Iron, all the Cally clones are called Cally; but directly contradicts "Children Of Auron" where Cally's clone is called Zelda.

I wish they'd stop using Marc Platt for B7, because he has no understanding of B7 at all - keep him on the DW range.


I should think that would lead to a LOT of confusion; having THAT many clones, all with the same name.

Imagine a cluster of them in the same room and calling out "Cally!" and all of them turn their heads saying "Yes?"

Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy. Remind me NOT to get that particular bit of fiction.
 
Lentila
trevor travis wrote:

I wish they'd stop using Marc Platt for B7, because he has no understanding of B7 at all - keep him on the DW range.


I wasn't that keen on Sea of Iron but I liked Drones - especially the first third of it. Lots of interesting character development for Liberator/Zen and Orac.
 
peladon
Grade Four Ignorant wrote:

Cally for me was a great character who was sadly underused on the show.

Cally should have been sent out on more missions than she did. She should have been Blake's first choice when putting together his team to raid Central Control or to help him with the resistance group on Albian.

In Season B alone she has a run of six episodes - Pressure Point to Voice from the Past - where she doesn't even leave Liberator. For a supposedly deadly guerilla fighter, she doesn't get an onscreen kill until City at the Edge of the World.


Well I'm not sure that is what she is supposed to be. She had certainly fought on Saurian Major, but her comment to Blake about her specialisty being communications, and smile that goes with it, suggests that she wasnt primarily a fighter. But she certainly would have been trained, more so than Vila, Avon or Gan.
 
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