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Interesting trend in B7
Astullken
On the subject of cannon and which backstories to accept perhaps we should take a cue from some of the bigger fandoms with many varied media formats of expression, such as Trek, Star Wars or DW. Thus, the details in the tv show is connon ony for the show, thedetails given by BF are cannon only for BF, and so on. One can make an argument that each continuation be it Paul's vision, BF, or B7M, should at least line up with most details as given on the original show, but do not in any way have to agree eith each other
"Blake is sitting up in a tree. Travis is sitting up in another tree. Unless they are planning to throw nuts at one another I don't see much of a fight developing before it get light!" --Avon
 
trevor travis
Astullken wrote:

On the subject of cannon and which backstories to accept perhaps we should take a cue from some of the bigger fandoms with many varied media formats of expression, such as Trek, Star Wars or DW. Thus, the details in the tv show is connon ony for the show, thedetails given by BF are cannon only for BF, and so on. One can make an argument that each continuation be it Paul's vision, BF, or B7M, should at least line up with most details as given on the original show, but do not in any way have to agree eith each other


I think that's what we've said before:

The B7 canon = the original 52 episodes. It's arguable whether we add any official documentation from the original production team here e.g. is "third century of the second calendar" canon? I think it is.

Extended Big Finish canon for their releases = the original 52 episodes + their output (I agree with Travisina that the BF range is very professionally-produced fan fiction, however it has created its own continuity within its own worlds. For example, there is an observation deck on the Liberator in the Big Finish universe, but this doesn't exist in the actual canon of the TV series).

Of course, B7M's re-imagined series, which is a total rewrite, does not include the original 52 episodes as part of its continuity. It has its own.
Edited by trevor travis on 22 November 2016 08:42:36
 
sooper mouse
trevor travis wrote:

Astullken wrote:

On the subject of cannon and which backstories to accept perhaps we should take a cue from some of the bigger fandoms with many varied media formats of expression, such as Trek, Star Wars or DW. Thus, the details in the tv show is connon ony for the show, thedetails given by BF are cannon only for BF, and so on. One can make an argument that each continuation be it Paul's vision, BF, or B7M, should at least line up with most details as given on the original show, but do not in any way have to agree eith each other


I think that's what we've said before:

The B7 canon = the original 52 episodes. It's arguable whether we add any official documentation from the original production team here e.g. is "third century of the second calendar" canon? I think it is.

Extended Big Finish canon for their releases = the original 52 episodes + their output (I agree with Travisina that the BF range is very professionally-produced fan fiction, however it has created its own continuity within its own worlds. For example, there is an observation deck on the Liberator in the Big Finish universe, but this doesn't exist in the actual canon of the TV series).

Of course, B7M's re-imagined series, which is a total rewrite, does not include the original 52 episodes as part of its continuity. It has its own.


so main canon is the original series and whatever info BBC put out on them at the time?
I have concluded that Jenna is Blake-aware, Blake is Avon-aware, Avon is self-aware and Gan is rarely aware. Vila is merely wary. Cally is frequently more away than aware.
 
trevor travis
sooper mouse wrote:
so main canon is the original series and whatever info BBC put out on them at the time?


Well, yeah, although that's just a fan opinion is what the canon is.

I suspect that the production office never worried about it. They were just out to make new episodes, while trying not to contradict themselves too much. Grin
 
sooper mouse
trevor travis wrote:

sooper mouse wrote:
so main canon is the original series and whatever info BBC put out on them at the time?


Well, yeah, although that's just a fan opinion is what the canon is.

I suspect that the production office never worried about it. They were just out to make new episodes, while trying not to contradict themselves too much. Grin


which explains a lot of stuff

the BBC has this thing where the best things they do are done shoddily and on a shoe string, and everything else sucks.
I have concluded that Jenna is Blake-aware, Blake is Avon-aware, Avon is self-aware and Gan is rarely aware. Vila is merely wary. Cally is frequently more away than aware.
 
littlesue
Well, here it is. THAT piccie.
Remember, back then in 1980, I didn't belong to any fan clubs; there was no internet...just magazines like Starburst and TV Zone.
Now can you see why I missed that all important full house at Bingo!!!?
i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/smallwondersue/starburst1_zps0apfexlv.jpg
Cold.....you don't know the meaning of cold.
Cold is when you have ice on the INSIDE of the window!!!


sues stories http://sjlittle.w...
sues youtube channel http://www.youtub...e54/videos
sues book shelf https://www.media...ne%20Shelf
rebel run video http://www.youtub...prqS-XZtLo
Lara and Sue's Stories http://lectorisal....webs.com/
 
trevor travis
sooper mouse wrote:

trevor travis wrote:

sooper mouse wrote:
so main canon is the original series and whatever info BBC put out on them at the time?


Well, yeah, although that's just a fan opinion is what the canon is.

I suspect that the production office never worried about it. They were just out to make new episodes, while trying not to contradict themselves too much. Grin


which explains a lot of stuff

the BBC has this thing where the best things they do are done shoddily and on a shoe string, and everything else sucks.


Not really.

Why would the production be bothered too much about continuity? Surely the priority is making the new stuff as good as possible. Not whether episode 36 contradicts episode 2.

Canon is only important to the fans. Not the production team or casual viewers.
 
littlesue
trevor travis wrote:

sooper mouse wrote:

trevor travis wrote:

sooper mouse wrote:
so main canon is the original series and whatever info BBC put out on them at the time?


Well, yeah, although that's just a fan opinion is what the canon is.

I suspect that the production office never worried about it. They were just out to make new episodes, while trying not to contradict themselves too much. Grin


which explains a lot of stuff

the BBC has this thing where the best things they do are done shoddily and on a shoe string, and everything else sucks.


Not really.

Why would the production be bothered too much about continuity? Surely the priority is making the new stuff as good as possible. Not whether episode 36 contradicts episode 2.

Canon is only important to the fans. Not the production team or casual viewers.


One of the reasons why we don't have much related products apart from a Corgi Libby, a couple of Jigsaws etc., is because the people at the BBC, back then, had no idea what to do with all these requests for permisson to use the copyright (or whatever it is called) from various companies. And they took ages to respond...or didn't get back at all.
And you have to remember that the remit was for a 50 minute action adventure family friendly show to replace Softly, Softly.
No one could have foreseen that nearly 40 years later we would still talking about the show...let alone doing rewatches and studying very closely the scripts.
That's why I often say...Don't ask; this is B7!
Cold.....you don't know the meaning of cold.
Cold is when you have ice on the INSIDE of the window!!!


sues stories http://sjlittle.w...
sues youtube channel http://www.youtub...e54/videos
sues book shelf https://www.media...ne%20Shelf
rebel run video http://www.youtub...prqS-XZtLo
Lara and Sue's Stories http://lectorisal....webs.com/
 
trevor travis
littlesue wrote:
No one could have foreseen that nearly 40 years later we would still talking about the show...let alone doing rewatches and studying very closely the scripts.
That's why I often say...Don't ask; this is B7!


Sue, although I'll discuss continuity, I don't mind there being the odd lapse Wink

To me, quality of scripts is more important. And B7 was blessed in having some of the best-ever scripts, plus a great production team and fabulous actors, to make a fabulous programme.
 
Rainesz
littlesue wrote:

Well, here it is. THAT piccie.
Remember, back then in 1980, I didn't belong to any fan clubs; there was no internet...just magazines like Starburst and TV Zone.
Now can you see why I missed that all important full house at Bingo!!!?
i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/smallwondersue/starburst1_zps0apfexlv.jpg


THANK YOU, SUE!!! Grin Grin
That was nice to wake up to with my cup of coffee. Wink I see what you mean about the silver. (And you got to touch it...?)

Sorry...what we were all talking about again...?
 
trevor travis
Rainesz wrote:
Sorry...what we were all talking about again...?


It was either Soolin's bum or continuity/canon..
 
Rainesz
Sue, although I'll discuss continuity, I don't mind there being the odd lapse Wink

To me, quality of scripts is more important. And B7 was blessed in having some of the best-ever scripts, plus a great production team and fabulous actors, to make a fabulous programme.


I completely agree. Smile As for continuity, there's the fun of filling in the blanks ourselves as fans.
 
Rainesz
trevor travis wrote:

Rainesz wrote:
Sorry...what we were all talking about again...?


It was either Soolin's bum or continuity/canon..


Hahaha!! Grin
 
Mistletoe12
littlesue wrote:

Well, here it is. THAT piccie.
Remember, back then in 1980, I didn't belong to any fan clubs; there was no internet...just magazines like Starburst and TV Zone.
Now can you see why I missed that all important full house at Bingo!!!?


Gorgeous Pic, Sue! GrinGrinGrin
 
sooper mouse
littlesue wrote:

Well, here it is. THAT piccie.
Remember, back then in 1980, I didn't belong to any fan clubs; there was no internet...just magazines like Starburst and TV Zone.
Now can you see why I missed that all important full house at Bingo!!!?
i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/smallwondersue/starburst1_zps0apfexlv.jpg



Jesus Allah Buddha
I have concluded that Jenna is Blake-aware, Blake is Avon-aware, Avon is self-aware and Gan is rarely aware. Vila is merely wary. Cally is frequently more away than aware.
 
littlesue
trevor travis wrote:

littlesue wrote:
No one could have foreseen that nearly 40 years later we would still talking about the show...let alone doing rewatches and studying very closely the scripts.
That's why I often say...Don't ask; this is B7!


Sue, although I'll discuss continuity, I don't mind there being the odd lapse Wink

To me, quality of scripts is more important. And B7 was blessed in having some of the best-ever scripts, plus a great production team and fabulous actors, to make a fabulous programme.


Absolutely.
Having grown up with TV since 1963 I've watched loads of TV shows. More often or not they had stand alone stories in the run which more often than not didn't follow on in any order. Most of the shows I watched were like that.
Stingray, Thunderbirds, Counterstrike, Doomwatch, The Champions, Dept S. All of Irwin Allen shows etc. So as far as I was concerned as I watched B7 unfold I realised that the first 4 episodes were a long running narrative, but it didn't occur to me that there was an arc going on. All I knew was that I was eager to see what happened to our heroes that week. And if the odd continuity thing cropped up, it didn't bother me, I was enjoying the show too much.
I still think the BBC have underrated the impact that B7 had....and they still do this. Witness Ripper Street.
Anyway, I'm of now to gaze at that piccie...for a while!!!
Cold.....you don't know the meaning of cold.
Cold is when you have ice on the INSIDE of the window!!!


sues stories http://sjlittle.w...
sues youtube channel http://www.youtub...e54/videos
sues book shelf https://www.media...ne%20Shelf
rebel run video http://www.youtub...prqS-XZtLo
Lara and Sue's Stories http://lectorisal....webs.com/
 
littlesue
Rainesz said... That was nice to wake up to with my cup of coffee. Wink I see what you mean about the silver. (And you got to touch it...?)

Oh yes....especially as PC and I had to help dress the chap who modeled it for us!!!!! Grin
Cold.....you don't know the meaning of cold.
Cold is when you have ice on the INSIDE of the window!!!


sues stories http://sjlittle.w...
sues youtube channel http://www.youtub...e54/videos
sues book shelf https://www.media...ne%20Shelf
rebel run video http://www.youtub...prqS-XZtLo
Lara and Sue's Stories http://lectorisal....webs.com/
 
sooper mouse
trevor travis wrote:

littlesue wrote:
No one could have foreseen that nearly 40 years later we would still talking about the show...let alone doing rewatches and studying very closely the scripts.
That's why I often say...Don't ask; this is B7!


Sue, although I'll discuss continuity, I don't mind there being the odd lapse Wink

To me, quality of scripts is more important. And B7 was blessed in having some of the best-ever scripts, plus a great production team and fabulous actors, to make a fabulous programme.

even when the scripts were a bit meh, the crew made them awesome.
I have concluded that Jenna is Blake-aware, Blake is Avon-aware, Avon is self-aware and Gan is rarely aware. Vila is merely wary. Cally is frequently more away than aware.
 
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