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Rewatch - Star Wars trilogy
Spaceship Dispatcher
trevor travis wrote:

And whereas Star Wars was a self-contained film, this one leads into the final film of the trilogy.

It's almost as though the first film was produced as a stand alone adventure, and the 'plans' for another eight episodes came along later... Grin
 
Spaceship Dispatcher
JustBrad wrote:

Sorry I can't actively partake in these...

We did miss your comments, wisdom and witticisms last night...
 
trevor travis
JustBrad wrote:

Sorry I can't actively partake in these. This one is the best of the lot so far... though I have high hopes for future releases.


"Empire" is the darkest film, and dares to finish with a less than happy ending.
 
trevor travis
Spaceship Dispatcher wrote:

trevor travis wrote:

And whereas Star Wars was a self-contained film, this one leads into the final film of the trilogy.

It's almost as though the first film was produced as a stand alone adventure, and the 'plans' for another eight episodes came along later... Grin


Are you suggesting that Mr Lucas didn't plan the whole saga in the early seventies, as he now claims? Grin

The lack of "Episode IV" on my DVD of the original Star Wars says it all really, plus the working title of "Star Wars II - The Empire Strikes Back" for the film we watched last night.

The idea of a prequel series seems to have come around 1979, around the same time the hefty cheques for merchandise started to roll in Wink
 
JustBrad
The original idea was for what we now know as A New Hope, Empire..., and Jedi, to be ONE FILM. When the draft came in at over 300 pages, George had to break it into pieces. However, he didn't expect SW to be a cultural phenomenon, so Empire and Jedi were nothing more than drafts and he had to fix things on the fly.
Men of Harlech cease your dreaming, can't you see their street signs gleaming...
 
trevor travis
JustBrad wrote:

The original idea was for what we now know as A New Hope, Empire..., and Jedi, to be ONE FILM. When the draft came in at over 300 pages, George had to break it into pieces. However, he didn't expect SW to be a cultural phenomenon, so Empire and Jedi were nothing more than drafts and he had to fix things on the fly.


That's interesting, Brad.

And of course, things rather changed over time, such as the added revelation that Darth Vader was Luke Skywalker's father (one thing I forget to mention that night is how well Mark Hamill plays that scene - one of the strengths of the original films were the characters and the actors), and the addition of the Ewoks.
 
Spaceship Dispatcher
I'm afraid that I'm no fan of Hamill's acting in any of the three films; he comes across as a bit two dimensional and artificially melodramatic to me.
 
JustBrad
Spaceship Dispatcher wrote:

I'm afraid that I'm no fan of Hamill's acting in any of the three films; he comes across as a bit two dimensional and artificially melodramatic to me.


Much of the original trilogy is two dimensional and artificially dramatic. It's a standard fairy tale (with a twist or two) well told (for the most part). Not sure how much of the blame goes to the actors and how much goes to the writer / director.... Empire Strikes Back is considered by many to be the best of the franchise, and is, coincidentally, the one over which George Lucas took the least direct control.

There is archive footage of Mark Hammil complaining to George Lucas about the stilted dialog. This is a direct quote: Come on, George, who talks like that?
Men of Harlech cease your dreaming, can't you see their street signs gleaming...
 
JustBrad
trevor travis wrote:



And of course, things rather changed over time, such as the added revelation that Darth Vader was Luke Skywalker's father (one thing I forget to mention that night is how well Mark Hamill plays that scene


David Prowse (the bloke inside the Vader suit) learned all Vader's lines and spoke them during takes to give the other actors something to work against, even though he knew his thick Scots accent would never be used. All through the read around and during the live takes, David Prowse spoke the line in the script, "No, Luke, Obi Wan killed your father."

Just before the last take, the director pulled Mark aside and told him what James Earl Jones would dub in post production. Mark was shocked, and it shows in the final take.
Men of Harlech cease your dreaming, can't you see their street signs gleaming...
 
JustBrad
trevor travis wrote:


And of course, things rather changed over time, such as the added revelation that Darth Vader was Luke Skywalker's father


And indeed that was a change. For decades I have been under the impression that Vader was always Luke's father, but that the decision to make Leia Luke's sister wasn't made until Jedi. It appears I have the wrong end of the stick, as I just read a story that purports the original draft of Empire had the force ghost of Anakin Skywalker appearing to Luke to tell him he had a sister.
Men of Harlech cease your dreaming, can't you see their street signs gleaming...
 
trevor travis
JustBrad wrote:

trevor travis wrote:



And of course, things rather changed over time, such as the added revelation that Darth Vader was Luke Skywalker's father (one thing I forget to mention that night is how well Mark Hamill plays that scene


David Prowse (the bloke inside the Vader suit) learned all Vader's lines and spoke them during takes to give the other actors something to work against, even though he knew his thick Scots accent would never be used. All through the read around and during the live takes, David Prowse spoke the line in the script, "No, Luke, Obi Wan killed your father."

Just before the last take, the director pulled Mark aside and told him what James Earl Jones would dub in post production. Mark was shocked, and it shows in the final take.


Yes, I'd heard that story.

David Prowse wasn't told, since he had a habit of running his mouth off.

It would seem very few people knew about it - George Lucas, the director and writers, James Earl Jones, Mark Hamill, a couple of film editors. And that was about it.
 
trevor travis
JustBrad wrote:

Spaceship Dispatcher wrote:

I'm afraid that I'm no fan of Hamill's acting in any of the three films; he comes across as a bit two dimensional and artificially melodramatic to me.


Much of the original trilogy is two dimensional and artificially dramatic. It's a standard fairy tale (with a twist or two) well told (for the most part). Not sure how much of the blame goes to the actors and how much goes to the writer / director.... Empire Strikes Back is considered by many to be the best of the franchise, and is, coincidentally, the one over which George Lucas took the least direct control.

There is archive footage of Mark Hammil complaining to George Lucas about the stilted dialog. This is a direct quote: Come on, George, who talks like that?


Although the dialogue is a bit weak at times, the characters themselves are strong, and I think the actors have to take some credit here, because they fleshed them out, in a way the prequel actors couldn't.

Mark Hamill is very good. There's also the final action sequence of Star Wars, when they are in the single seater X-wing ships. He plays it absolutely perfectly, as do the actors playing the other pilots. The dialogue is quite functional, but it's played with such conviction, that you are totally gripped, as one-by-one the pilots are picked off and killed.

I still consider that sequence to be the best in any Star Wars film - it's a thrilling 10 minutes or so.

It's a shame that typecasting largely put paid to Mark Hamill's subsequent career. One thing I'm really looking forward to seeing once I see "The Force Awakens" is to see what they've done to Luke Skywalker (no spoilers please Wink )
Edited by trevor travis on 30 December 2015 17:47:42
 
JustBrad
I cannot help but contrast Mark Hammil's performance in Star Wars, which to be kind, was not and should not have been nominated for any awards, with his voice acting career, which has garnered him ten awards including a BAFTA.

So is the weakness on screen the actor'ss fault or the director's, or does Mark have as they say, a Face for radio?
Men of Harlech cease your dreaming, can't you see their street signs gleaming...
 
trevor travis
JustBrad wrote:

I cannot help but contrast Mark Hammil's performance in Star Wars, which to be kind, was not and should not have been nominated for any awards, with his voice acting career, which has garnered him ten awards including a BAFTA.

So is the weakness on screen the actor'ss fault or the director's, or does Mark have as they say, a Face for radio?


He did win awards as Luke Skywalker, though, didn't he? He did very well with a thankless role - a whiter-than-white good guy. And he pulls out the stops when he needs to - e.g. the attack on the Death Star, his reaction to "I Am Your Father", the confrontation with Vader & the Emperor in "Jedi".

Sadly Hollywood is all based on looks and he hasn't aged kindly. But his voice work does show that he can act.

Give me one Mark Hamill over a hundred smegging Hayden Christensen's!!! Grin Grin (Could they can found anybody less suitable for that part, if they tried Wink )
 
Travisina
JustBrad wrote:

David Prowse learned all Vader's lines... even though he knew his thick Scots accent would never be used.


Actually, it's a thick West Country accent, but the point remains the same. I saw him at a convention where he sang, to the tune of the Star Wars theme:

"Star Wars
Made me a fortune
Paid off my mortgage
Bought me a car"

Bless him!
My views are my own.

VILA: I'm entitled to my opinion.
AVON: It is your assumption that we are entitled to it as well that is irritating.


Twitter: @TravisinaB7
 
trevor travis
Travisina wrote:

JustBrad wrote:

David Prowse learned all Vader's lines... even though he knew his thick Scots accent would never be used.


Actually, it's a thick West Country accent, but the point remains the same. I saw him at a convention where he sang, to the tune of the Star Wars theme:

"Star Wars
Made me a fortune
Paid off my mortgage
Bought me a car"

Bless him!


They overdubbed his voice as the Green Cross Code man as well.

Personally, I think it would have sounded brilliant, if Darth Vader sounded like one of the Wurzels!!! Grin Grin
 
Spaceship Dispatcher
Good evening! Just loading the dvd...

My favourite of them all, so far anyway (not having seen TFA) and not only because of the Leia sequence; there's lots that clicks for me with this one...
 
Spaceship Dispatcher
Started!
 
trevor travis
Hi SD - started.
 
trevor travis
Darth Vader in this one right from the off!!

And they're building a new Death Star!! Daft idea. The one time the rebellion beat us was after we had that stupid idea to build a huge artificial moon. Let's do it again Grin
 
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