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Vila: a darker character?
Spaceship Dispatcher
Travisina wrote:

VILA: All my life, for as long as I can remember, there's been people like you.
TARRANT: And I thought I was unique.
VILA: You're not even unusual, Tarrant.

Also, I would dispute that this exchange relates to directly to the question of apathy when Vila is neither victim or perpetrator; in context, was Vila not referring to being a victim of bullying by Tarrant in this scene?
Reversing the polarity of the neutron flow. I bet that means something. It sounds great.

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Rodney
I think that Vila has a fascinatingly dark side. He is willing to put others' lives in danger if it suits him and his drinking makes him a less than reliable team member. In addition, he is sometimes guilty of incredible stupidity and naivety, as in Power Play where he is taken in by the female bounty hunters despite repeated warnings from the primitives. While this isn't a dark aspect it is part of his genetic make-up whereby his drive for sex and alcohol sometimes overide the desire to save his fellow crew members.
Vila: Where are all the good guys?
Blake: You could be looking at them.
Avon: What a depressing thought!
 
Rodney
Spaceship Dispatcher wrote:

Vila regards that Jenna submitting to Raiker was an option; that submission to such an act was dependent upon circumstances and not whether it was morally acceptable, and he viewed her rejection of the approach as an action that had disadvantaged the greater good of the whole body of prisoners and should at least have been considered. It throws light on a darker side to the character, that his attitude to male dominance is at the very least permissive. His lack of outrage at Raiker, and in fact his negativity is directed at Jenna, suggests something more about his social background and experiences before the events of The Way Back; it certainly adds complexity and even a sinister edge to the character.


I think that Vila is an amoral character. Re. Jenna, he feels that the end justifies the means. If it makes their lives easier, she should sleep with Raiker. This 'end justifies the means', though, would also fit Blake, Avon, Dayna, Tarrant etc. The only truly moral characters are Cally and Gan. With Gan's limiter limiting his choices, Cally - the alien - emerges as the one character without a darker side. (I'm happy to be challenged about this as she is after revenge like Blake is!)
Vila: Where are all the good guys?
Blake: You could be looking at them.
Avon: What a depressing thought!
 
trevor travis
Rodney wrote:I think that Vila is an amoral character. Re. Jenna, he feels that the end justifies the means. If it makes their lives easier, she should sleep with Raiker. This 'end justifies the means', though, would also fit Blake, Avon, Dayna, Tarrant etc. The only truly moral characters are Cally and Gan. With Gan's limiter limiting his choices, Cally - the alien - emerges as the one character without a darker side.


From what we see in "Breakdown", the non-limited Gan is far from moral.

Although I don't go with the Liberation view of Gan as the Jack The Ripper of the second calendar, we do see that without the limiter that he is a devious, manipulative and violent character.

Unless of course it's the faulty limiter scrambling his brain.
 
Spaceship Dispatcher
trevor travis wrote:

From what we see in "Breakdown", the non-limited Gan is far from moral.

Although I don't go with the Liberation view of Gan as the Jack The Ripper of the second calendar, we do see that without the limiter that he is a devious, manipulative and violent character.

Unless of course it's the faulty limiter scrambling his brain.

No, I do think that's the real Gan that we see; Federation security must have had a reason for implanting the limiter at their own expense, as this does not fit any other pattern of punishment or conditioning we see.

However, that's for another thread... Wink
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JustBrad
trevor travis wrote:



From what we see in "Breakdown", the non-limited Gan is far from moral.



That's the question, innit? Did the limiter malfunction, causing Gan to become violent, or did the limiter merely cease to function?

And given what we know of The Federation, how did a (presumably) lower grade who 'murdered' a Federation Security Guard, live to stand trial and not be 'shot while trying to escape?'
 
Rodney
Inconsistencies, my dear Watson.
Vila: Where are all the good guys?
Blake: You could be looking at them.
Avon: What a depressing thought!
 
trevor travis
Maybe Vila is something of a sexual deviant and Blake has found this out, after accessing Orac.

And that's why he doesn't want Vila down on either Space City or Freedom City.
 
Spaceship Dispatcher
trevor travis wrote:

And that's why he doesn't want Vila down on either Space City or Freedom City.

Excellent point! It adds motivation to those scenes, as Blake is not a man to hold Vila back because of personal differences as Tarrant might.
Reversing the polarity of the neutron flow. I bet that means something. It sounds great.

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Rodney
Maybe Avon is a moral man masquerading as an amoral one; while Vila makes out that he is a gentle, kind, sensitive guy but who actually has no heart. Even his humour is based on his own self-centred fears and a bleak, cynical view of the world.
Vila: Where are all the good guys?
Blake: You could be looking at them.
Avon: What a depressing thought!
 
trevor travis
Spaceship Dispatcher wrote:

trevor travis wrote:

And that's why he doesn't want Vila down on either Space City or Freedom City.

Excellent point! It adds motivation to those scenes, as Blake is not a man to hold Vila back because of personal differences as Tarrant might.

Indeed, Blake has many faults, but that isn't one of them. Wink He happily co-operates with Avon, despite clear personal differences between them.
 
Spaceship Dispatcher
Rodney wrote:

Maybe Avon is a moral man masquerading as an amoral one; while Vila makes out that he is a gentle, kind, sensitive guy but who actually has no heart. Even his humour is based on his own self-centred fears and a bleak, cynical view of the world.

Which would add justification to Tarrant, Dayna and Soolin's attitude towards him in series four.
Reversing the polarity of the neutron flow. I bet that means something. It sounds great.

Blake's 7: Trojan Horse (s4 fanfic) - Blake's 7: Through the Needle's Eye (s2 fanfic)

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Spaceship Dispatcher
trevor travis wrote:

Indeed, Blake has many faults, but that isn't one of them. ;) He happily co-operates with Avon, despite clear personal differences between them.

The lack of trust is logically not purely drink related, that is trying to keep Vila away from alcohol, because there is access to that on the ship.
Reversing the polarity of the neutron flow. I bet that means something. It sounds great.

Blake's 7: Trojan Horse (s4 fanfic) - Blake's 7: Through the Needle's Eye (s2 fanfic)

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Rodney
And before anyone mentions Orbit, Avon was just playing a game of hide and seek with Vila. He would never have thrown Vila off the ship. It was Orac's plan, not Avon's.
Vila: Where are all the good guys?
Blake: You could be looking at them.
Avon: What a depressing thought!
 
trevor travis
Rodney wrote:

And before anyone mentions Orbit, Avon was just playing a game of hide and seek with Vila. He would never have thrown Vila off the ship. It was Orac's plan, not Avon's.


Er, Avon definitely would have thrown Vila off the ship. Our 'hero' Grin
 
Rodney
trevor travis wrote:

Rodney wrote:

And before anyone mentions Orbit, Avon was just playing a game of hide and seek with Vila. He would never have thrown Vila off the ship. It was Orac's plan, not Avon's.


Er, Avon definitely would have thrown Vila off the ship. Our 'hero' Grin


We will never know for sure! Off thread, IMO it's the best series 4 episode, though.
Vila: Where are all the good guys?
Blake: You could be looking at them.
Avon: What a depressing thought!
 
trevor travis
Rodney wrote:
We will never know for sure! Off thread, IMO it's the best series 4 episode, though.


It's a great episode.

But the fact remains, with only minutes to save his life, Avon makes the decision to take Orac up on his suggestion and goes hunting for Vila...
 
Spaceship Dispatcher
Rodney wrote:

We will never know for sure! Off thread, IMO it's the best series 4 episode, though.

I may have warmed a little to a couple of s4 episodes, but that's not one of them.

Do we think the Scorpio crew's total lack of respect for Vila is because over time they learned of a sinister side of his personality that they find unacceptable?
Reversing the polarity of the neutron flow. I bet that means something. It sounds great.

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trevor travis
Spaceship Dispatcher wrote:

Do we think the Scorpio crew's total lack of respect for Vila is because over time they learned of a sinister side of his personality that they find unacceptable?


It may well explain why Dayna can be particularly cutting towards him. Maybe Vila has 'wandering hands' while drunk.

In which case, Dayna is remarkably restrained in merely cutting him down vocally.
 
Anniew
Do we think the Scorpio crew's total lack of respect for Vila is because over time they learned of a sinister side of his personality that they find unacceptable?


Pot calling kettle surely. However 'dark' Vila is, Avon is a professional con man, Tarrant a deserter, Soolin a hired assassin and Dayna a casual killer and sexual experimenter. I think that they hate his laziness, find him irritating and a bit of a passenger, ( except when they need a thief). He doesn't need to be sinister to have earned their contempt. (Though I think there is an AU version of Blakes 7 when all the characters show a disturbingly sinister side)
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