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| Lurena |
Posted on 30-07-2010 04:50
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Alpha Grade ![]() Posts: 1626 Joined: 08.09.09 |
Hi, I just returned and noticed so many replies on this thread! I did a quick read in advance, I need some time to read it all, but there are a few things that struck me. -The mentioning by BradPaula of Humphrey Bogart's portrayal of Rick in Casablanca ! I like that! -Ms Wooster's wondering about subconscious influence by an actor. In short answer for this moment I can just say that every actor brings in part of him/herself plus the characteristics he/she likes to have (sometimes even in real life!). This concerns both goodies and baddies. So does a good director in handling the characters. -And the extended post by Kalinda001. I have to re-read your comment properly when I have more time. But from what I read I can say that I can not agree with your point that Avon wanted the leadership. In my opinion he is not at all the man who likes to be involved in any interaction as such. He is a genius scientist, proud of his skills and always eager to learn, investigate and device. Time spent on leadership tasks would be lost life time in his opinion, I guess. Maybe I am mistaken in what I read in your reply, Kalinda100, like I said I will read it over. So please give me some time. Manicmama, you're welcome with that photo! I love to see him that way. If you like I'll put it on the 2011 calendar that will be available again soon! I will also create the special Avon (or any other character/item edition, let me know...) .....I want to tell, but I can't..... ...I promised.... |
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| Windfola |
Posted on 30-07-2010 18:53
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Gamma Grade ![]() Posts: 186 Joined: 08.09.09 |
Ms Wooster wrote: Something Windfola said on the Blake thread got me thinking about the way the actors portray their characters. Then I thought about how they see their characters- and to what degree it's reflected in the audience's view. I watched Forever Avon fairly recently again- and was struck how much Paul enjoys the "baddie" side of Avon. I've noticed that he tends to emphasize it when he speaks of Avon- it was evident in his autobiography. It's always quite cheeky and playful, but still. Yet, Chris Boucher says somewhere on the The Making Of videos that Avon's actions were open for interpretation to the viewing public- if you wanted to see a nasty piece of work, you did; if you wanted to see a noble, soft side of him, you did. So it made me wonder about whether an actor projects something subconsciously in their performance. I've been meaning to respond to your post for days, Ms Wooster. I have always thought that the real person 'leaks' a little round the edges in their character portrayals. Hence there is a tantalising little Paul twinkle about Avon which is I suspect why susceptible individuals go wild about him (Paul has many stalkers even now in his late sixties). It's the contrast between the dark Avon and the delightful Paul. I noticed a similar phenomenon when I met and spent half an evening with Gareth Thomas. Inevitably what one likes in a character is also part of the actor, however skilled they are. It's not just physical either; far from it. Well now, all you had to do was ask. |
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| Lurena |
Posted on 31-07-2010 00:03
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Alpha Grade ![]() Posts: 1626 Joined: 08.09.09 |
Taken over from another thread: windfola wrote: Oh just one thing I should mention. There is absolutely No evidence that Avon suffered from psychosis. I do not say he wasn't mentally disordered, but psychotic no. That is not just my opinion - it is based on sound clinical criteria. Windfola, may I ask, you being a expert, please will you do us a favour and show your clinical criteria and your diagnosis? You seem to be so well informed and I like to read the source of that opinion that I can share. ............................ ![]() (I once found this picture in a magazine: S4 Kerr Avon or S4 Paul Darrow? Who ever he is, he looks so worried) .....I want to tell, but I can't..... ...I promised.... |
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| Windfola |
Posted on 31-07-2010 12:43
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Gamma Grade ![]() Posts: 186 Joined: 08.09.09 |
urggh - I have somewhere an almost finished essay on B7 and mental illness, which I really should complete if I am going to answer your question in any detail. One can't make a true diagnosis without asking a series of very specific questions, which is of course not possible with B7 characters. So you have to go one the behaviour that is available on screen. If Diane or the mods would be willing to post it as an article I'll get on and try to finish it. it's far too long to put up as a post. Well now, all you had to do was ask. |
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| Lurena |
Posted on 31-07-2010 13:31
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Alpha Grade ![]() Posts: 1626 Joined: 08.09.09 |
Thanks for your reaction, Windfola. I took it the source was an available article written by a fan/psychologist. Take your time then if you ever want to complete your article. I am always looking forward to read carefully written fan opinions. .....I want to tell, but I can't..... ...I promised.... |
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| president solvite |
Posted on 31-07-2010 21:47
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Moderator ![]() Posts: 1638 Joined: 07.09.09 |
Windfola wrote: urggh - I have somewhere an almost finished essay on B7 and mental illness, which I really should complete if I am going to answer your question in any detail. One can't make a true diagnosis without asking a series of very specific questions, which is of course not possible with B7 characters. So you have to go one the behaviour that is available on screen. If Diane or the mods would be willing to post it as an article I'll get on and try to finish it. it's far too long to put up as a post. Of course, I would love to read such an article, would be more than happy to upload it
Behold your God, Neil!! ![]() |
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| Windfola |
Posted on 31-07-2010 21:52
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Gamma Grade ![]() Posts: 186 Joined: 08.09.09 |
Well I have over 15 years professional experience in the field of assessment and diagnosis. I reckon that counts for something.![]() As I say, without being able to question our characters in depth it is tough to diagnose, however one can rule certain things out. There is only one character in B7 who displays the hallmarks of psychosis and that is your namesake, Lurena. And as we know she was not ill but duped. The interesting thing is how frightened she became, particularly when she thought she might actually be mad (evident from her conversations with Avon). That, for obvious reasons, is very common with psychosis. Well now, all you had to do was ask. |
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| Windfola |
Posted on 31-07-2010 22:03
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Gamma Grade ![]() Posts: 186 Joined: 08.09.09 |
president solvite wrote: Windfola wrote: urggh - I have somewhere an almost finished essay on B7 and mental illness, which I really should complete if I am going to answer your question in any detail. One can't make a true diagnosis without asking a series of very specific questions, which is of course not possible with B7 characters. So you have to go one the behaviour that is available on screen. If Diane or the mods would be willing to post it as an article I'll get on and try to finish it. it's far too long to put up as a post. Of course, I would love to read such an article, would be more than happy to upload it ![]() Then I shall try to get it done. ![]() Can't find it my laptop so I hope it will be found lurking on my antiquated PC. Well now, all you had to do was ask. |
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| Leyos |
Posted on 01-08-2010 00:15
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Beta Grade ![]() Posts: 896 Joined: 21.04.10 |
Windfola wrote: urggh - I have somewhere an almost finished essay on B7 and mental illness, which I really should complete if I am going to answer your question in any detail. One can't make a true diagnosis without asking a series of very specific questions, which is of course not possible with B7 characters. So you have to go one the behaviour that is available on screen. If Diane or the mods would be willing to post it as an article I'll get on and try to finish it. it's far too long to put up as a post. Oh, please post it. That sounds fascinating, I would love to read it. |
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| Lurena |
Posted on 01-08-2010 04:05
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Alpha Grade ![]() Posts: 1626 Joined: 08.09.09 |
Windfola wrote: There is only one character in B7 who displays the hallmarks of psychosis and that is your namesake, Lurena. And as we know she was not ill but duped. The interesting thing is how frightened she became, particularly when she thought she might actually be mad (evident from her conversations with Avon). That, for obvious reasons, is very common with psychosis. Psychology is not my field, perhaps that's true, you seem to be the professional. Though I am proud of Lurena for several reasons. In this thread I only link back to our beloved Avon: Avon has only a short meet with Lurena, but he seems to feel comfortable with her. He carelessly turns his back towards her and runs ahead of her through the corridors. Let her find protection behind him. He invites her twice to come along (the first time he needs her knowledge, the second time he also values her). Lurena fascinates him (Cally: She's been conditioned, Avon. She wants to tell you but she can't.) the moment he becomes aware of it his attitude softens. She is one of the few women who acts along side Avon and assists him to defeat the aliens. There have been thoughts by several people about Lurena. Over the years I picked up some: -Lurena can't be a traitor, since the psycho-engineers conditioned her against treachery, she would be the perfect partner for Avon. -There is only one suitable woman for Avon: the Star One technician Lurena. She is conditioned never to tamper with computer systems and will never reveal their secret home location! -If Avon succeeds in reprogramming Lurena's conditioning he will have all information needed to secure power and most off all important: his private life! -A pity she wasn't chosen as replacement for Jenna. Avon would have got on with her, he already treats her the same way as he does Cally in The Web and Jenna in Breakdown. Fascinating isn't it?
.....I want to tell, but I can't..... ...I promised.... |
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| Windfola |
Posted on 08-08-2010 16:18
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Gamma Grade ![]() Posts: 186 Joined: 08.09.09 |
president solvite wrote: Windfola wrote: urggh - I have somewhere an almost finished essay on B7 and mental illness, which I really should complete if I am going to answer your question in any detail. One can't make a true diagnosis without asking a series of very specific questions, which is of course not possible with B7 characters. So you have to go one the behaviour that is available on screen. If Diane or the mods would be willing to post it as an article I'll get on and try to finish it. it's far too long to put up as a post. Of course, I would love to read such an article, would be more than happy to upload it ![]() Well I finished and sent it to Mr President last week. Haven't heard anything back yet. I didn't think it was that bad! Well now, all you had to do was ask. |
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| Windfola |
Posted on 08-08-2010 20:50
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Gamma Grade ![]() Posts: 186 Joined: 08.09.09 |
Ah, apparently it is going up shortly, so I needn't have worried.
Well now, all you had to do was ask. |
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| president solvite |
Posted on 08-08-2010 20:59
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Moderator ![]() Posts: 1638 Joined: 07.09.09 |
No blame my busy schedule... I need to clone myself to get everything done!
Behold your God, Neil!! ![]() |
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| Windfola |
Posted on 08-08-2010 22:18
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Gamma Grade ![]() Posts: 186 Joined: 08.09.09 |
No need for that Mr President. Imagine all those extra rolling eyes and blue fur fabric!
Edited by Windfola on 08-08-2010 22:18 Well now, all you had to do was ask. |
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| Lurena |
Posted on 26-08-2010 13:29
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Alpha Grade ![]() Posts: 1626 Joined: 08.09.09 |
An excuse to post here again?..... Especially for you, droolers , taken over from the Continuity in B7 thread and because it reminded me to a question. Lurena wrote: Leyos wrote: saba wrote: trevor travis wrote: I think we can safely assume that the Liberator crew don't sleep in Zero G. Can you imagine the kerfuffle if Avon awoke only to find teddy floating down the corridor? ![]() ![]() Closely followed by Cally. ![]() That could never happen. Everyone knows that Avon keeps tight hold of his teddy at bedtime. ![]() Proof: ![]() and trevor travis wrote: I should say so! I've just worked out why Avon is in such a bad mood throughout S4. It's because poor teddy doesn't survive the explosion of the Liberator. No wonder Avon is so vengeful towards Servalan in S4 - he feels she caused teddy's death. And had Blake realised that Avon had lost teddy, maybe he'd have approached Avon differently when they meet in the final episode. It all makes sense now. ![]() Question: In "Blake" How do you think Avon might have behaved at the meet again with Blake if Tarrant had not mentioned the trigger line: "He sold us, Avon. All of us. Even you." ? .....I want to tell, but I can't..... ...I promised.... |
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| christine scheir |
Posted on 26-08-2010 16:03
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Gamma Grade ![]() Posts: 344 Joined: 08.09.09 |
*drooling over the picture.....* ![]() I think Avon would have still acted the same way in Blake....He looked very much close to the edge when he entered the room....Any word or movement from anyone in the room would have triggered the same response.. ![]() ![]() ......He already had shot Klyn....so rge words Tarrant uttered wouldn't have made a difference.....
.....dreamhead forever.... that my motto..... |
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| Lurena |
Posted on 27-08-2010 11:39
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Alpha Grade ![]() Posts: 1626 Joined: 08.09.09 |
There was a mention of it in the Coninuity thread: Cool Copper and Gay (in the meaning of "buoyant", so not what you might have thought) Glance mixture make up was the ultimate for flatscreen heroes at that time (James Bond) and Paul dearly wanted his hairdo in the style of Warren Beatty. He got it and he loved it! ( though I don't.) Still, Avon , how much older do you think he became in the series? He is the one who makes the most remarkable aging progress. He started quite a lad, second half twenties and ends up a very mature man. Portraying 10 years younger then Paul really was! and of course he did very well Some of us have noticed now he's doing even better in real, looking younger! ![]() Here is an extract of a recent article by a TV series reviewer: His basic appearance of fragility plays a role. But so does the actual evidence of the eyes: despite his insistence that he ought to be in charge, Avon really takes any opportunity to follow, right up until the moment when he finally collapses into the captain’s chair. When someone else shows even the slightest inclination to lead, Avon insults him ritually and then retreats to his corner, where he tinkers quietly with machines. He also invents new defenses for the ship. And meets intelligent rocks. And pursues personal vendettas. And solves murders. And plays board games, though he’s not alone in that; the crew of the Liberator spend a lot of time playing board games. Sometimes Avon seems to be the only crew member who does anything. Look at a first- or second-season battle sequence sometime. Dude is always running around. He works at least two stations. He becomes a brute, and a massively unsubtle brute. I’m not saying he’s a better brute because he has an excuse. On the contrary, he’s much worse; because he was not born a brute — because he was born a rather sensitive and retiring man, and learned brutality by imitation, out of desperation, at an early age — he becomes unstable and dangerous, and ****s it up for everybody. He’s too tone-deaf to brute right. In this way, he’s as odd a duck as Blake the rebel engineer: Avon the killer/programmer, a poseur among badasses, who becomes the biggest badass of all through sheer force of recognition that badassery is the only game in town, and promptly implodes, helpless, desperate. Cue cheery fourth-season end-credits theme. (PM me if you like the whole read) .....I want to tell, but I can't..... ...I promised.... |
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| Angry Angel |
Posted on 29-08-2010 10:25
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Moderator ![]() Posts: 722 Joined: 07.09.09 |
That sounds a very interesting review! |
| Lurena |
Posted on 30-08-2010 00:51
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Alpha Grade ![]() Posts: 1626 Joined: 08.09.09 |
Angry Angel wrote: That sounds a very interesting review! It rather is, it's focussed on Blake and on Avon, though I do not agree with all of what is written, Angry Angel. .....I want to tell, but I can't..... ...I promised.... |
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Some of us have noticed now he's doing even better in real, looking younger! 